One rifle ?

[umbellus]

Winchester Model 70 EW in .30-06 and never look back.

 

[Marbles]

Did Sako fix ejection issue? Or they still recommend tall scope rings and small windage turret? Thanks

Not fixed. Brass would strike the windage turret and I ended up flipping the scope on its side. Higher rings or setting the windage turret further forward also would have helped, but made the rifle not fit me well.

 

[DoubleDown]

You sounded pretty knowledgeable up to this point. There is no reason a 6.5 CM shooting a good bullet, Nosler, Barnes, GMX ect., won't kill a moose out to 300 yards or so.

With perfect shot opportunity, yes. Do we always have one? Nope. Why risk wounding and possibly losing an animal.

 

[False_Cast]

Moose with 6.5 if only within 100 yards broadside

Which issue of Field and Stream is this opinion based on?

 

[DoubleDown]

I’m ESL, don’t have time to read that.

 

[Babills]

Thanks guys. A lot of good info and plenty to think about. I'm an old school guy and used to 30 caliber rifles. But I love the easy shooting of the creedmoor. Just seems under powered for big animals. To be fair I have not killed anything with it yet. Going to wyoming in a couple weeks for antelope. May even try for a cow elk. The creedmoor will be on its first hunt.

 

[False_Cast]

I’m ESL, don’t have time to read that.

Luckily for you, math is the universal language.

 

[blacktail sniper]

280ai or 6.5 saum

 

[DoubleDown]

Luckily for you, math is the universal language.

Which formula
Taylor KO factor (TKOF) recommended for moose is 20
30-06 180 grain TTSX is 21
6.5 127 grain LRX is 13

Thornily Stopping Power (TSP) recommended for moose is 120
30-06 180 grain TTSX is 118
6.5 127 grain LRX is 75

or popular and not so correct muzzle energy where main player is speed. 45-70 and 243 produce equal amount energy. So, in case of charging bear with what caliber you’ll be better off????

Farewell.

 

[False_Cast]

I’m on the floor. Unfortunately for me, I just lost a bet to myself, that I’d not see the “Taylor ko” farce cited in-earnest post-GW Bush administration. But here we are. Best of luck with those Leupolds and their unimpeachable (but oft cited) warranty.

 

[Babills]

I just researched the Winchester 70 ext. Ss
Looks fantastic. But how are the new winchesters reliability? And has anyone tried the new 70 tungsten with brake? Thanks

 

[thinhorn_AK]

I just researched the Winchester 70 ext. Ss
Looks fantastic. But how are the new winchesters reliability? And has anyone tried the new 70 tungsten with brake? Thanks

I have 2 Winchester extreme weather rifles (30-06 and 338wm) and they are great. Fit and finish is top notch and they are more accurate than I am.

 

[Jdutton24]

Most rifles now days will shoot better than you can. I'd stick with Tikka or maybe like a browning hell's canyon if just one gun for all. Get a 7 mag, 28 nosler, 300 win mag, something along those lines and will do whatever u want hunting wise. Minimum cartridge size would be 6.5 prc. It's like the creedmoor magnum brother. Add 200 fps and still short action.

 

[Trogon]

A stable of model 70s and Tikka’s. That’s a happy place.

 

[coiloil37]

Anyone who thinks moose are hard to kill hasn’t shot any. They’re big but they give up easily. With a decent shot they go down right where you hit them ass first. In the event they run they never go far.

The hardest thing you mentioned to kill are elk and they’re easily killed with a 30-06. For example, here’s one I dropped instantly on a dead run at 360 yards.

If I had to go down to one gun it would be my kimber Montana in ‘06 and I would keep it loaded with a 165/168 on top of 52 grains of IMR 4064 at ~3000 FPS from a 24” barrel. That said this moose below was dropped with a 130 Barnes at 3350 FPS.

Hard to go wrong with a ‘06 but I’m pretty biased. The kimber at 6.5lbs scoped is always a pleasure to pack.

 

[TheGDog]

or popular and not so correct muzzle energy where main player is speed. 45-70 and 243 produce equal amount energy. So, in case of charging bear with what caliber you’ll be better off????

What?... Those two cartridges DO NOT make same ft-lbs. Looking at .45-70 for LeverRevolution FTX 325gr @2050 that's like 3K+ .243's are right around 2K.

 

[DoubleDown]

What?... Those two cartridges DO NOT make same ft-lbs. Looking at .45-70 for LeverRevolution FTX 325gr @2050 that's like 3K+ .243's are right around 2K.

I understand you believe everything on internet. In real life who in the world will carry 45-70 in bush with 24 in barrel? (That’s a ballistics provide by hornady using 24 on barrel). For alaska 100500% more luckily regular Federal power shocks will be readily available in stores. Not fancy and expensive leverevolution.

Farewell

 

[DoubleDown]

Anyone who thinks moose are hard to kill hasn’t shot any. They’re big but they give up easily. With a decent shot they go down right where you hit them ass first. In the event they run they never go far.

The hardest thing you mentioned to kill are elk and they’re easily killed with a 30-06. For example, here’s one I dropped instantly on a dead run at 360 yards.

If I had to go down to one gun it would be my kimber Montana in ‘06 and I would keep it loaded with a 165/168 on top of 52 grains of IMR 4064 at ~3000 FPS from a 24” barrel. That said this moose below was dropped with a 130 Barnes at 3350 FPS.

Hard to go wrong with a ‘06 but I’m pretty biased. The kimber at 6.5lbs scoped is always a pleasure to pack.

Another vote for 30-06

 

[TheGDog]

I understand you believe everything on internet. In real life who in the world will carry 45-70 in bush with 24 in barrel? (That’s a ballistics provide by hornady using 24 on barrel). For alaska 100500% more luckily regular Federal power shocks will be readily available in stores. Not fancy and expensive leverevolution.

Farewell

Long Story shorter I was merely checking your statement that they made the SAME energy. They don't. It's not far off from one another. Looks like 300-400ft-Lbs more. But, as I'm sure you know, even if they made the exact same energy... there's going to be more inertia to have to stop in that heavier projectile. Hence the reason people carry 'em for the critter with the 4"-5" diameter Humerus (upper arm bone).

 

[DoubleDown]

Long Story shorter I was merely checking your statement that they made the SAME energy. They don't. It's not far off from one another. Looks like 300-400ft-Lbs more. But, as I'm sure you know, even if they made the exact same energy... there's going to be more inertia to have to stop in that heavier projectile. Hence the reason people carry 'em for the critter with the 4"-5" diameter Humerus (upper arm bone).

that’s was my point of all argument that 6.5 don’t fit as Alaska all around caliber. Muzzle energy is inaccurate formula for proper match caliber to animal.