No more traditional rifles

[Longbow53]

I sold my classic flinters, medical issues I wont discuss. Been thinking on a more English style Hawkins with A blocker stock to take recoil.AND easier to flip off the barrel for cleaning.I'm 67 I've hunted with my ML's for 30+ years, and my 45-70 Sharps which i also just sold .
Knight ..that made up the inlines was just a LAZY hunter that wanted to take advantage of a traditional hunt. Idaho for a couple years banned inlines. to keep it a trad hunt...I mean come on .There will always be lazy hunters.I walk around there pickup in the dark while there drinking coffee waiting for first light hoping to see something EASY to kill.
The whole idea of a ML Hunt was to give hunters more time in the woods. To have that time to really hunt,call your shot and make a clean kill. Not to put a 12X scope and watch Jim Shockey shows on that station that I will not watch. Glorified prostituition on selling garbage to hunters to tell the idiots( sure wont call you a hunter) they NEED this inline to shoot a deer at 200 yds! Thankyou Shokey and Knight for your greed to put $$$ in your pocket. Excuse guys,I get bent outta shape on where our hunting ethics has gone.

 

[Clarence]

Beautiful rifles longbow!

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[ChrisA]

Building a flintlock southern mountain rifle now from parts I've sourced from Pecatonia River, Jim Chambers, TOW and Laurel Mountain. Been a learning experience so far and I haven't even inlet the lock yet.

First muzzleloader was a T/C White Mountain carbine that I've taken many deer with it.

Also killed many deer with a smokless 700 build that shoots MOA at 300 yards; dial up 4 minutes and bingo.

Chris

 

[Stalker69]

Obviously this is not going to be taken lightly here, and in this day and age , but. Muzzle loading is a “ traditional “ sport, where you had to get relatively close to the animal. But still considered long compared to archery. And to me that is the allure of the sport. I know to many, now days it’s just another way to kill an animal, and it don’t matter with what and the farther they made the shot the better. Put a scope on it, so you can even shoot farther. To me that is not appealing at all. I am not going to starve to death if I don’t kill something. Again to me traditional ( black powder, archery) is about getting close, and doing it the way it used to be done. “ traditionally “ Now days it’s all about how can we make this “ easier”, so we are “ successful”. Some times I just don’t get it. But to each their own.

I do own and have killed animals with my inline knight .MK 85 ( I believe that’s the model) also, but it just isn’t the same “ hunting” experience that I so much enjoy with the traditional rifles. Just curious also, how much is this knight worth, roughly now days ? It’s in far better then average condition by the way. It’s been a safe queen for probably 15 plus years.

 

[Longbow53]

A little pricey,but looks high quality.
https://www.thehawkenshop.com/Departments/The-Hawken-Shop/Hawken-Rifles-and-Kits.aspx
Here is the Forum to be with the Trad guys...

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[Stalker69]

Yes that is the one I am thinking of, with grade 6 wood. I imagine that’s grade 6 in that picture, but not sure, if it’s not, I can’t imagine what 6 looks like. Because that looks as though it would be a gorgeous chunk of wood .

 

[Longbow53]

Hows this for Grade...Way up there! A gorgeous fiddle Back turning into marble cake going up the rifle. This gun was built in 1970.I sold it to A friend this year.The hardrock maple wood on this gun would cost over ? Because of the length,could go up to $2,000 or more,I'm out of it now. This wood on my highwall Schuetzen Rifle,wood I cut in 1986 out of a 6' walnut Tree on the stump,at the three limb center cluster...thee premier piece of wood. $3,000 for this blank today..or more. Remember this,that gun that cost 3,000 ++ to build to add a few hundred more for the wood is forgotten down the way,but you see it everytime to fondle that gun! You can always buy the blank and send it in for your gun.

 

[TimothyJ]

Hows this for Grade...Way up there! A gorgeous fiddle Back turning into marble cake going up the rifle. This gun was built in 1970.I sold it to A friend this year.The hardrock maple wood on this gun would cost over ? Because of the length,could go up to $2,000 or more,I'm out of it now. This wood on my highwall Schuetzen Rifle,wood I cut in 1986 out of a 6' walnut Tree on the stump,at the three limb center cluster...thee premier piece of wood. $3,000 for this blank today..or more. Remember this,that gun that cost 3,000 ++ to build to add a few hundred more for the wood is forgotten down the way,but you see it everytime to fondle that gun! You can always buy the blank and send it in for your gun.

Definitely way up there grade!

 

[87TT]

This is grade 4 from Pecatonica River.

 

[Stalker69]

That is really nice wood, I wonder how much If any better 5 ( their highest) is then that. Because that is nice.

 

[87TT]

Must be real nice. I got a deal on this stock as the lock inlet was already cut and was about 50 thousands too deep. I just shimmed it under the lock.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Pennsylvania has a season for flintlocks. Starts now and goes then mid January. It also overlaps with a late archery season. my buddy that used to shoot it says he just hunts his crossbow during that time now. From what I gather, many used to buy a kit gun and put it together but now most just buy off the shelf wood or plastic guns. It’s definitely a niche sport.

what is the realistic effective range of a good flintlock?

 

[Longbow53]

87TT. So what did the wood cost you? Very nice piece to fine these days,A nice gun to fondle! Gorgeous.Pete

 

[87TT]

He took $100 off the regular price for a full stock which made it $190

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[Longbow53]

Did good there......very nice

 

[87TT]

Thanks

 

[Clarence]

Pennsylvania has a season for flintlocks. Starts now and goes then mid January. It also overlaps with a late archery season. my buddy that used to shoot it says he just hunts his crossbow during that time now. From what I gather, many used to buy a kit gun and put it together but now most just buy off the shelf wood or plastic guns. It’s definitely a niche sport.

what is the realistic effective range of a good flintlock?

100 yards on a whitetail is considered a commendable shot in my circles. Most guys I hunt with won't shoot past 75, and prefer 50. This may be more a product of ability than effectiveness, but 50 cal. round balls out of a flintlock, are not known for their b.c. or velocity.

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[30338]

For me, my Pecatonica Hawken build turned out very nicely. Wood a little better than listed. Tried a Track of the Wolf kit that I sent off to a builder. Turned out the blank had a repair on it that he didn't notice prior to working and it became sort of obvious. I didn't like TOTW response so for me, I'd go Pecatonica.

Actually for me, I'd buy an existing built rifle which is what I did after I sold the TOTW build. It was nice seeing detailed pics prior to putting money down on it. For me, I don't have the skill set to build one though I do love their performance on game and at the range. Here is this years buck shot at 80 yards. 58 caliber round ball.



Buck killed on wide open prairie at 22 yards coming to a corn field. 54 caliber round ball.



Another 54 cal roundball buck.

 

[Clarence]

For me, my Pecatonica Hawken build turned out very nicely. Wood a little better than listed. Tried a Track of the Wolf kit that I sent off to a builder. Turned out the blank had a repair on it that he didn't notice prior to working and it became sort of obvious. I didn't like TOTW response so for me, I'd go Pecatonica.

Actually for me, I'd buy an existing built rifle which is what I did after I sold the TOTW build. It was nice seeing detailed pics prior to putting money down on it. For me, I don't have the skill set to build one though I do love their performance on game and at the range. Here is this years buck shot at 80 yards. 58 caliber round ball.



Buck killed on wide open prairie at 22 yards coming to a corn field. 54 caliber round ball.



Another 54 cal roundball buck.

Curious how the browned barrel is to care for/maintain?

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[30338]

Hard to tell from pics, but both those barrels are browned. I shoot it or hunt it, come home, clean barrel with soap and water, dry it off good and wipe a little oil on it. Never had any rust issues whatsoever with either one.

Also been having wonderful accuracy and ignition using Swiss powder. These old style guns will kill what I point them at and I have no need for more range or knockdown. Actually my results with patched roundballs have been very very good. 54 and 58 are killers, not discounting smaller ones, just these are the ones I have used the most.