lundell, just to clear things up a little..........I told you specifically that my friend wanted $750 for his NIB binos, and that he wouldn't accept a lower offer right now because this listing was so new (here and another forum or two). The $750 includes shipping, which would net him approximately $725. The payment by PP F&F would still meet his desire to net $725, that's all there was to it, and still is. Not sure how that is so unreasonable, sketchy, strange, foreign to you, or what. It's very simple. It's a $900 glass that he want to net $725 out of in one form or another. If I would have said $750 shipped TYD and pay via paypal "regular" where he eats the fees, would that have been acceptable? This really isn't that hard to understand, and I thought I presented this scenario to you very simply in our text messages. To even hint that a F&F deal between us could have some resemblance of fraud is very misguided on your part.