New rifle dirty barrel?

[ElDiablito]

I decided to take you up on this challenge. So far, Savage, Winchester, and Springfield Armory have replied. THEY EACH SAY EVERY RIFLE IS TEST FIRED FOR FUNCTION BEFORE IT LEAVES THE FACTORY.

I'll update as/if I get more replies from other companies. I also emailed Ruger, Remington, Weatherby, Christensen, Seekins, Howa and Henry. I figured that it would be enough.

I love it!

 

[Kyguy]

Where's CVA?????

I honestly don't give two shits what CVA does because they're a piece of shit company to begin with. FACT.

 

[ENCORE]

I honestly don't give two shits what CVA does because they're a piece of shit company to begin with. FACT.

Please copy and post those emails you received from those manufacturers.........

 

[ENCORE]

According to Winchester, they function test every firearm.

It’s very unlikely that CVA is using “cosmoline” (an antiquated term and substance) although they could be applying a light corrosion inhibitor to the bore.

Also, according to the rep at Winchester, that I just now talked with, they still use Cosmoline. Function testing is a lot different than live firing.

So, to date, both Krieger barrels and Winchester still use Cosmoline. Not as antiquated as may be thought.

I honestly don't give two shits what CVA does because they're a piece of shit company to begin with. FACT.

Isn't that what the OP was asking about?

I cleaned a new out of the box CVA Accura LRX 45 cal rifle and was surprised how dirty the barrel was. Has anyone had this experience and is this common? Haven’t shot it yet. Thanks!

 

[Kyguy]

Here's Savage

 

[Kyguy]

Here's Springfield

 

[Kyguy]

And since this email came from Browning's customer service even though it was sent to the Winchester contact form, we can say it covers Winchester and Browning.

 

[Kyguy]

Anything else you need me to find out for you? I guess you haven't gotten a reply from CVA? Like I said, I don't care about CVA. If they don't test fire their muzzleloaders before boxing them, then that's on them. I'll admit I was wrong.

This is all about YOUR post pounding YOUR chest that there's just NO way a firearms manufacturer actually test fires rifles for function. I don't know if Weatherby still does it, but they used to include a test target with every rifle in the Vanguard line.... and they post on their website the ammo that they use to accuracy test EACH rifle cartridge chambering.

 

[ENCORE]

Anything else you need me to find out for you? I guess you haven't gotten a reply from CVA? Like I said, I don't care about CVA. If they don't test fire their muzzleloaders before boxing them, then that's on them. I'll admit I was wrong.

This is all about YOUR post pounding YOUR chest that there's just NO way a firearms manufacturer actually test fires rifles for function. I don't know if Weatherby still does it, but they used to include a test target with every rifle in the Vanguard line.... and they used post on their website the ammo that they use to accuracy test EACH rifle. Which means that they test fire every rifle.

Not pounding any chest. But if I were, what's that got to say about you?

I guess it all depends on who you talk to at these manufacturers. One says function testing, another, Springfield says they test fire every rifle. So.......... how are you feeling about being right up to this point?

Dang it, I forgot to ask Springfield about what they used to coat barrels prior to shipping. Oh well, we've already gotten two that use cosmonline, "an antiquated term and substance". I guess that would suggest that the other manufacturers may use cosmoline or another similar substance.

 

[ENCORE]

We should definitely see about all the other manufacturers.

 

[Kyguy]

Well, I can tell you this..................... do yourself a favor and call CVA and ask them if each and every NEW rifle they sell have all been test fired. The answer I guarantee you're going to get is................ NO.
Why do I know this.............. Go over to the CVA FB site, which may have been the original Paramount site, and do a search. CVA/BPI answered that EXACT question, and it was.................. NO.

I'll also tell you this too............ Call the manufacturer of the factory rifles you've purchased and ask them the same question............ DO YOU TEST FIRE EVERY NEW PRODUCTION RIFLE BEFORE IT LEAVES THE MANUFACTURER? Guaranteed you'll get the identical answer. NO.

Can you even imagine the MASSIVE EXPENSES a manufacturer would have test firing every rifle they build???
Can you imagine the different number of bullets, let alone the different propellants and primers that would be involved in test firing EVERY new rifle? Muzzleloader or CF.
Its not possible and it doesn't happen. Period.

This isn't pounding your chest? Damn man, you're basically screaming it and acting like the fool about it. I'm not pounding my chest about it, because I already knew I was right. YOU laid down the challenge, not me. All I did was answer it.

I hate stupid shit like this. Hunters and shooters spend more time nowadays trying to tear each other down than build each other up. As long as people hunt and shoot, do it legally and ethically, I don't care what, how, or where they do it.

Can we consider this debate about test firing closed now or do I need to post any other emails I get?

 

[ENCORE]

What the heck, post them.

If I were pounding my chest about something, it would be how accurate I can shoot

 

[Kyguy]

Here's the Henry factory tour. At around the 12:30 mark, they talk about proof testing and function testing every firearm and show the empties.

 

[ENCORE]

It appears that discussions, even a manufacturer's page, people can't agree with one another. Ruger for example. One person says every firearm is live round fired, the next person states that's BS, as he has purchased two Ruger firearms that it was impossible for either firearm to fire, as the ejectors were stuck with burs on both firearms, which would have prevented it.
I listened to the Henry video and I still can't hear him say "every firearm........ "

Firearm manufacturers are similar to politicians. They're going to tell you exactly what they want you to know, not what they know. Similar to rifle scope manufacturers.

Ask a scope manufacturer if they test each and every scope for recoil endurance and then ask them to what force they check them to. They're going to tell you that every scope is tested before being boxed. Function tested, not recoil tested.
Leupold will tell you they recoil test each scope, but the only information they'll give you is something like, 'It's tested to the recoil of a 458Wmag'.
Ask them what the actual force is, and they'll accuse you of being a corporate spy. Ask me how I know this.

 

[Dan Carey]

Fact is they shoot a pressure test round thru every rifle and if it still functions they ship it. LOL

 

[Kyguy]

It appears that discussions, even a manufacturer's page, people can't agree with one another. Ruger for example. One person says every firearm is live round fired, the next person states that's BS, as he has purchased two Ruger firearms that it was impossible for either firearm to fire, as the ejectors were stuck with burs on both firearms, which would have prevented it.
I listened to the Henry video and I still can't hear him say "every firearm........ "

Firearm manufacturers are similar to politicians. They're going to tell you exactly what they want you to know, not what they know. Similar to rifle scope manufacturers.

Ask a scope manufacturer if they test each and every scope for recoil endurance and then ask them to what force they check them to. They're going to tell you that every scope is tested before being boxed. Function tested, not recoil tested.
Leupold will tell you they recoil test each scope, but the only information they'll give you is something like, 'It's tested to the recoil of a 458Wmag'.
Ask them what the actual force is, and they'll accuse you of being a corporate spy. Ask me how I know this.

Jesus it must be miserable to be around you. Good lord.

 

[ENCORE]

Jesus it must be miserable to be around you. Good lord.

Why the hell do you continue to respond then????? Good Lord.......... not lord by the way.

 

[ElDiablito]

Jesus it must be miserable to be around you. Good lord.

 

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So says the guy that always answers everyone's questions....... Love'n it.......

 

[ElDiablito]

So says the guy that always answers everyone's questions....... Love'n it.......

Lovin or McLovin? LMAO No need to reply….