New reloading setup suggestions/critique/recommendations

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I am looking to get into reloading. I think I’ll be best served to piece things together for myself rather than a kit. I would like to buy once cry once, but I’m not on an unlimited budget.


Open to suggestions, things I’m missing or should substitute, etc.

Press:
MEC

Rockchucker

Redding T7

Hordnay iron or classic

Priming:
RCBS bench

21st century hand

Dies:
Redding, but don’t have a bias. Any suggestions


Hornady tumbler (or another brand if better)


Hornady comparator/headspace kit

Case trimmer:
Manual, but up for suggestions

Forster, RCBS, Hornady? Not sure if Sinclair is worth the extra $100.

I was also thinking of going with an Autocharger from Hornady


I guess reason for making the post is really want to get feedback from people who have a wealth experience on here. I would like to get this right the first time and not have to re buy things for quite some time…only upgrade for luxury/time saving/convenience (not a dang, I should have bought that tool instead)
 
Just a few comments:

Can't go wrong with an RCBS Rock Chucker and RCBS dies. All have gone strong for near 40 years for me

I now decap everything with a Mighty Armory Universal decapping die.

My manual Hornaday trimmer is sub-par, I would not buy that one

Look for gently used stuff.
 
For trimming/case prep, I tried doing this by hand because I'm cheap/broke and can't afford even the Hornady 3-in-1. It sucked for 200 or so cases. I now use the Lyman E-ZEE trim ($30-40) in a drill - pick your method to keep it running hands free. The Little Crow Gunworks WTF2 ($73) with carbide head (+$32.50) is probably what I would have bought if I could go back, but it indexes off the shoulder so if you're sizing isn't very consisent your brass length could vary a little.

For chamfer/debur, I bought a $10 Hornady threaded drill adapter to use the Lyman case prep multi-tool ($20) attachments and do that powered as well. You may need to buy separate sizing rods for the E-ZEE trim based on your cartridge (the E-ZEE trim comes with .223 .243 .270 .30-06 .308).

For dies...are you VERY particular and like to tinker? Want to MAXIMIZE case life (at least at the neck...)? Get a bushing die to work your neck a minimal amount/to your exact specs. However, if you're annealing, your necks may well outlast your primer pockets and the neck bushing thing may not matter. Everything in this category (annealing, bushing dies, sizing mandrels) probalby won't have any affect on your accuracy from the tinkering I've done. Priortize it last IMO. I have a set of Redding dies and a set of Hornady dies, I can't tell the difference. I changed out all of the redding locking rings with Hornady ones. Redding lock rings were horrible to work with.

Edit: See this thread for some other insights - https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/reloading-newb-check-list.372113/
 
I like the Berry's tumbler with the removable bowl on it. Works great, and super convenient to be able to pop the bowl off instead of carry the whole thing around.

Rockchucker is top shelf for a single stage press. Believe it or not, a Lee Six Pack makes a great progressive (but other models of Lee progressives do not, LOL)

I am fairly agnostic on dies. I've loaded good ammo with dies from Lee, RCBS, Forster, Redding, Lyman, Hornady, etc. The seating dies that have a floating sleeve or neck bushing to align the case and the bullet before they get to the stem (Forster, some Hornady, Frankford Arsenal Universal) seem to load with less run out for me, but not by all that much.

The cheap ass Lee plastic powder dispenser works better for dropping stick powder than anything else I've ever seen, but straight up sucks for ball powders. RCBS or most others work great with ball powder, but not so much with stick (though they do work for stick, but tend to bind up and cut granules a lot).

I like any of the index-on-the-shouder trimmers, just way way faster than anything else.
 
You didn't mention what kind of shooting you do regularly that you'll be reloading for, it can make a big difference in what brands/components are best for your scenario. A Rockchucker Supreme is a great all around press, especially if you'll reload large cartridges as you'll need the extra oomph on the resizing stroke. I don't really notice a big difference in dies for hunting and general target shooting but the RCBS X dies make it nice to not have to trim brass each time. Those that are more into competitive shooting like the Redding dies with the micrometer adjustment. An electronic powder dispenser is really nice to speed things up a bit but is not necessary to start as well. Like one of the other posts said, look for quality items that are used or wait for sales. Best of luck with your reloading journey.
 
T7 press, this is the standout choice
Lee bench auto prime, because it’s the fastest
Dies depends on what you are doing, I mostly neck size with either a lee collet or bushing neck die.
In general the best budget dies are Hornady, particularly if you are using one of their rounds.
I hardly ever have to trim but the lee in a drill is excellent
The chargemaster link seems decent so far
 
I did the same as you and I'm working on my first loads.

I went with a T7 press so I can a few different calibers and leave them in so I don't have to setup everytime granted I will double check everything before resizing an entire set of brass for example. For dies I went with the Redding Type S, for a primer I just did the RCBS hand primer, scale I went with the Hornady Auto Charge Pro, and trimmer I went with a Little Crow Gunworks.
 
Others have already covered a lot of your questions, but one thing I didn't see on your list that is an absolute must is a good scale.

Either get a calibrated beam scale, or buy the best electronic scale you can afford. Consistency is key when reloading and I don't know how many times I have seen guys with great case prep, dies, comparators, etc. and then have a scale that is +/- 0.2 to 0.3 grains. That means you could have a 0.4 to 0.6 grain swing between individual loads. If you plan to be a volume reloader, then I suggest a Lee Perfect powder measure (less $) or Harrells (more $) combined with a trickler and a good scale. If you don't plan to do a lot of volume, then any powder measure along with a trickler and good scale will work. If money isn't an object and you want the most precision and least amount of time, then the Autotricker V4 or Supertrickler should be considered.

One other comment, I would recommend the SAC comparator over the Hornady mainly because the SAC inserts are SS rather than cheap aluminum, which means they will stay consistent and not wear unevenly.
 
For a press it's hard to beat the Rock Chucker, but I also have a Forster CoAx. I like the quick die change and no shell holder changing.

For priming I have/had most of them. The Frankford hand prime is a great choice.

Dies, all work pretty well I normally use bushing dies.

Forster trimmers work well, I have the manual and the Power, that goes in a drill press. With the Power I can do 600 cases an hour.

RCBS auto chargers work well.

I have the Forster comparator kit, and it works fine. But the best method is to just use your own chamber with the ejector & firing pin removed. You can use this method for adjusting the size die and for adjusting the bullet seating die. There are several short instructional videos out there, Wheeler accuracy has both vids on his web site under "sizing brass" and "finding your lands".
 
I am looking to get into reloading. I think I’ll be best served to piece things together for myself rather than a kit. I would like to buy once cry once, but I’m not on an unlimited budget.


Open to suggestions, things I’m missing or should substitute, etc.

Press:
MEC - I have tried a number of presses, but this is my favorite. Built like a tank, but easy to load with because of the open front.

Rockchucker

Redding T7

Hordnay iron or classic

Priming:
RCBS bench and Universal Hand Primer (no need to get shellplates out)

21st century hand

Dies:
Redding, but don’t have a bias. Any suggestions I get as good as or better results with my Hornady dies s I do with any other dies.

Don't try bushing dies until you get the hang of things. Start with regular dies. There are a lot more variables that need to be sorted out before you start trying to get the perfect neck tension.

Hornady tumbler (or another brand if better) FART and Fart Lite are cheap and work great.


Hornady comparator/headspace kit

Case trimmer:
Manual, but up for suggestions

Forster, RCBS, Hornady? Not sure if Sinclair is worth the extra $100.

I was also thinking of going with an Autocharger from Hornady


I guess reason for making the post is really want to get feedback from people who have a wealth experience on here. I would like to get this right the first time and not have to re buy things for quite some time…only upgrade for luxury/time saving/convenience (not a dang, I should have bought that tool instead)

Start basic and see what you like. I like trimming with a Lee case trimmer mounted in my case prep center. Trim, Chamfer, Debur with one device.
 
Not to hijack. But does anybody have a reason i shouldn't just get the lyman ultimate kit as a starter? I've found them as low as $570


I have the turret press and like it. The on press priming is awful (I didn't care, but you should know that going in). You will need an off press solution or you will be forever frustrated.

Their automated power dropper spills A LOT of powder. I sent mine back and got a Chargemaster Lite.

I don't think (just a preference) dry tumbling is the way to go.

Digital calipers > Dial Calipers imo.
 
I started with, and, still use a lee turret press (I use it for for mandrel, depriming, and with a Frankford Arsenal universal bullet seater). I upgraded a year ago to the mec marksman and really like it. You will find the more guns you reload for the more convenient it is to have a turret or multiple presses, especially if you go between Small rifle and large rifle priming. I use the lee bench auto primer for large rifle priming and find it to be very fast and convenient. For small rifle I did buy a press primer, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCZQBB4P?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_3 and it's great as well, but I just leave it for small rifle, in a lee turret and swap it out.
 
I have the turret press and like it. The on press priming is awful (I didn't care, but you should know that going in). You will need an off press solution or you will be forever frustrated.

Their automated power dropper spills A LOT of powder. I sent mine back and got a Chargemaster Lite.

I don't think (just a preference) dry tumbling is the way to go.

Digital calipers > Dial Calipers imo.
I appreciate the input. There is a hand primer in the kit. And I have digital calipers already. But what is your preferred method for cleaning?
 
There’s a little bit of mystery what you will like, until you’ve worn the newness off a reloading setup. It’s no different than cars, or girls, or houses, cooking equipment, or even pets. Buy once cry once sounds catchy, but making good decisions can sometimes mean wading into the water for the first time. On the other hand you’re looking at good equipment so in some ways it could be said you can’t go wrong.

Someone could do a lot worse than buying an all in one kit from one of the big names with a simple press and beam scale. You will upgrade much of it, maybe. Keep in mind much of what you are hearing online and in ads is marketing driven, rather than a practical difference.

Heavy presses are needed for case forming, like making 6BR brass from 30-06, but the biggest presses with long heavy handles become a chore with no real need for the strength with normal sizing and seating. Turret presses are cool if you don’t reload for a lot of cartridges, but if you plan on having a dozen different guns, you’re swapping dies all the time anyway. Aluminum presses look cool, but the advantages of aluminum are lost on a piece of equipment bolted to the bench. A Rockchucker or one like it will never wear out and work for 99.9% of anything you’ll do.

I find a lot of value having a beam scale that can be put away for years, brought out and still be just as accurate and reliable as ever. Add whatever electronic scale you like, but it’s nice to use a beam scale to appreciate what the benefits and drawbacks of each are. Personally I get anxiety from not knowing if today is the day the electronic scale goes way out of calibration. Did I just load the round I’ll carry in the field and when a shot comes up at a big deer I’ve eaten tags for a number of years, and what should be an easy 500 yard shot in calm conditions just clips his chest and is never seen again. When the best named flatscreen TVs only last an handful of years and aren’t worth repairing, my confidence in E scales is weak. Even if the beam scale isn’t technically as accurate, it’s a more reliable option in some important ways.

I grew up trimming cases watching TV since it’s hard to screw up and is one of the only things anyone can help with. For that reason I really like the Lee hand held trimmer, or the very similar Lyman. The length is not adjustable, but it doesn’t have to be. I don’t care for the fancy trimmers that trim and chamfer - it’s a solution to a non existent problem - time savings isn’t a thing when I’m watching tv or chatting with a friend.

I started with a basic RCBS Rockchucker combo and only used basic RCBS full length dies for a number of decades. That combination was good enough for for a rifle that never shot over 1/2 MOA. I do have some bushing dies, even Wilson seating dies and a little arbor press, neck turning stuff, etc, but for most hunting rifles it’s not needed. I picked up a used C press for less than a 20 piece McNugget and Coke just to show the kids it makes no difference on target.

Something that can’t be read off a spec sheet is how a setup fits your personality and preferences. Reloading has a rhythm and feel that makes it enjoyable. I like the bench to be organized and every piece of equipment at the ideal height. Tools should feel good in the hand, solid, well made. Fancy metal funnels or machined case blocks aren’t needed, but they feel solid. Even an aluminum trickler compared to one with a cast iron base just feel different.

It’s all fun to think about and over think, but have fun and don’t hesitate to replace something that doesn’t seem to work or fit you.
 

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But what is your preferred method for cleaning?
No wet or dry tumbling for me. Clean the carbon off the outside of the necks with Crazy Cloth or Nevr-Dull, wipe the case lube off with a rag and alcohol based window cleaner. Wet tumbling peens the ends of the case and removes the carbon from inside the neck, both no bueno. I don't clean primer pockets either.

Save yourself some $$$ and buy the Deraco comparator. Yeah they're aluminum but c'mon they're a comparator. Something you zero out every time you use them. Even if there was wear (I've been using the original stoney point for decades with no perceivable wear) it'll never make a difference and I'll say again, it's a comparator, not a measuring device..

 
Press: Cant beat a rockchucker supreme.

Dies: Love my forester ultra micrometer, just get an rcbs universal decap and use that to decap. The foresters can be a bit tricky to set up but once the'yre set they're awesome.

Priming: Derraco Engineering - My most favorite tool to be honest. So slick super clean super accurate feeds amazing.

Case Trimmer: L.E. Wilson with micrometer: slow but rock solid and crazy accurate. Beats the hell out of anything with a collet.

Tumbler: I use a dillion 750, works great no complaints.

Scales: I have a cchargemaster supreme with the tube adder, works amazing. I also have a sweet RCBS 10-10 beam scale from like the 70s which rocks and is super handy to have around to check charges from time to time when reloading just using the mircrometer adjustment screws from a UPM on more bulk ammo.

My main advice would be dont be loyal to a color, different brands make certain things really well. Just focus on one piece at a time and have fun!
 
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