New Mexico tag strategy for nonresidents

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I have hunted several times in CO and have enough points in WY and SD to have options for next year. However, the wife kinda wants to visit the 4 corners area next fall. I will likely spend the winter months scheming on how to make that trip happen with some hunting days worked into it for me and one or both of my girls, depending on what tags we might be able to draw.

My oldest isn't super excited about hunting mule deer. She thinks they look too much like whitetail so she doesn't see the big deal. I expect she'll grow out of that eventually. My middle child is adamant that she won't shoot does. Whatever she goes hunting for must be a buck. So that leaves out elk for us for next year, in Colorado anyway (not enough points for any of us to draw a good bull tag), and makes mule deer a second choice to pronghorn. So, New Mexico makes the most sense for next year, for us, as it's on the way to where the wife wants to go.

I realize that *ANY* NR tag is hard to draw in NM, and harder still for unguided hunters. I would very likely consider putting in for an 'outfitted' hunt for pronghorn using an outfitter (knowing I don't really need one, to shoot pronghorn) just to increase my chances. I'd rather go on a guided hunt I had a tag for, than not have the tag.

I've never applied for anything in NM. I've read the process and think that I grasp the high points. You buy a license just to be able to apply, then you pay for the entire application, then they refund most of that if you do not draw.

Doing that for three hunters (two youth) will get expensive. Doubly so if we try to maximize our odds by applying for both deer and goat tags.

So here's the question: As I understand it, NM has no mechanism for returning tags. You hunt what you drew, with few exceptions.

-If we apply for both deer and pronghorn tags, there's a chance of drawing both, though the chance of drawing neither is much higher.
-If we apply as a party we either all draw or none of us draw.

It wouldn't bother me in the least to have only one or two of us draw a tag. Especially if it was both girls who got tags; I want to hunt but I’m fine just taking them. I want to more or less maximize the chances of us drawing *something*, but I don't think we need a tag each to have a good time hunting.

Am I correct that I should only put us in for a party application if I want either three tags or none? Seems like maybe I'd be better off applying with all of us as individuals, or perhaps submit the girls' applications first then mine later with the most likely antelope tag for them, as my first draw choice. Because I’d be quite happy to take them with 1-2 tags instead of waiting for 3.


Has anyone ever drawn too many tags?

Does NM's process have any sort of internal protection whereby if I applied for, say, a deer tag in one part of the state and a goat tag in another, on the same week, I could check a box and tell them not to draw me for both? Or some other checkbox elsewhere that says we'd be happy if only 2 of our 3-person group could get a certain goat tag?

I’d really like to put in for multiple tags. I just don’t want (read: can’t afford) multiple outfitted hunts for three hunters. But at the same time I don’t want to spend years applying with no success and never get to go at all.

How do you balance maximizing your odds of drawing, against not wanting to end up with multiple tags in the same year? Are my worries strictly theoretical simply because the odds of drawing two decent tags are just so low in the first place?
 
New Mexico has fantastic youth opportunities so definitely apply the children individually. I would apply for elk and mule deer the antelope tags are harder to draw as so few tags are available for each hunt code. You could probably buy land owner tags for antelope but they are not cheap, figure on 3500 apiece. The youth tags for deer and elk are typically for prime units and during prime time periods so definitely take advantage of the potential.

I put in for 5 family members every year for everything from big horn to javelina and we have never drawn enough tags where there was ever a conflict. As a resident we’re lucky if we pull a couple of tags a year. I suppose it’s possible but highly unlikely.

There are no provisions in the draw to prevent overlapping tags for different species.

My son drew some fantastic elk tags as a youth in units that I will likely never be able to draw.

If I can help feel free to pm

Good luck
 
Am I correct that I should only put us in for a party application if I want either three tags or none? CORRECT

Has anyone ever drawn too many tags? NO SUCH THING

Does NM's process have any sort of internal protection whereby if I applied for, say, a deer tag in one part of the state and a goat tag in another, on the same week, I could check a box and tell them not to draw me for both? Or some other checkbox elsewhere that says we'd be happy if only 2 of our 3-person group could get a certain goat tag? NO

I’d really like to put in for multiple tags. I just don’t want (read: can’t afford) multiple outfitted hunts for three hunters. But at the same time I don’t want to spend years applying with no success and never get to go at all.
You only have to go guided if you commit to the guided pool. Maybe do one in the guided pool and others in the regular pool. Then, if you draw more than one, you can just diy one of the hunts.
How do you balance maximizing your odds of drawing, against not wanting to end up with multiple tags in the same year?
There are only a few tags with near 100% draw odds, but there are some youth muley tags. We did that hunt with no success. For most other hunts, the draw odds are usually bad enough not to worry about too many hunts. We had 25 NM apps this year and drew one oryx hunt, but we did draw deer and elk in AZ, so we're going to have a busy Nov.
Are my worries strictly theoretical simply because the odds of drawing two decent tags are just so low in the first place?
You're definitely worrying a little too much. But you should go into it knowing that it's a rare possibility that you couldn't do a hunt and have to eat the tag. Just part of the game.

I would add that some believe there is some first-time applicant luck, and I would be one of them. Of our family of 5, My two boys and I drew difficult hunts our first year applying.

Another thing to note is that youth-specific hunts don't always have the best odds at a tag, and youth can apply for any tag.
 
If you're wanting to draw any tag for any person in your group, then don't apply as a party. Each application being separated will up your draw odds. Put your kiddos in for youth hunts and then yourself for whatever you'd be happy to draw.
You might already know the process but just make sure each application put the choice with the hardest odds first and then each choice after would be the next hardest, (1st - 2% draw odds, 2nd - 15% draw odds, etc).

If you're going to look at an outfitter then make sure they're on the approved outfitter list beforehand and not just a guide. You'll have to have a signed contract prior to the application being filled out.
 
You might already know the process but just make sure each application put the choice with the hardest odds first and then each choice after would be the next hardest, (1st - 2% draw odds, 2nd - 15% draw odds, etc).
I think putting an app in for hunts with %15, %25, and %35 are going to give you better odds than an ap with %1, %2 and %35. But then you may also miss out on drawing one of the best units in the state...

Based on our experience, I think some hunts that are sub %10 aren't any better than a leftover CO tag.
 
I think putting an app in for hunts with %15, %25, and %35 are going to give you better odds than an ap with %1, %2 and %35. But then you may also miss out on drawing one of the best units in the state...

Based on our experience, I think some hunts that are sub %10 aren't any better than a leftover CO tag.
Yeah I was just giving an example of how to stagger your hunt choices.

You are right. There are some units in NM now that are not worth the long shot. There was a unit I've hunted that was 40% or better for rifle and really good odds for muzzy and archery ten years ago. Same unit is now less then 20% for anything, not a great unit, but decent. I've seen way more deer in 1-2 point units in CO.

I think it's driven by guys just wanting to go and thinking they'll get a tag and then figure the unit out afterwards.
 
It's NM put in for whatever you can. The rifle seasons are short 5 days. Went in the guide pool for elk woth buddy and put in for mule deer tag 4 or so years ago. Drew both but the hunt dates were staggered over 2 weeks so no issues.
Just do you research on the DIY guides if you decide to go that route...I won't do that again.
 
A dozen or so years ago, our NR group applied as a group for elk in NM. We wanted to DIY hunt, but in order to up our odds, we applied in the outfitter pool. I contacted an outfitter (I don't remember who), he sent us a contract with a number to put on our application. If we drew, we each had to pay him a couple or so hundred dollars. Then he was required to spend at least part of 2 days at our camp. He said he would come by camp on the first afternoon we were there and then again the morning of our second day. Our group did not draw a tag.
 
Thank you all. It's a lot to wrap your brain around, with every western state having a different tag system.

I suppose I have the winter to sort out our options. One thing that seems unique to NM is the 'minimally guided' hunt option, and an internet search of one particular such service, including several results on this forum, make me think they're trustworthy to help us walk through the process and hunt with them.

Worst case if I end up drawing Valles Caldera or Valle Vidal elk, I'll figure it out, I guess. But I'd prefer to just start with 2-3 goat tags.
 
A dozen or so years ago, our NR group applied as a group for elk in NM. We wanted to DIY hunt, but in order to up our odds, we applied in the outfitter pool. I contacted an outfitter (I don't remember who), he sent us a contract with a number to put on our application. If we drew, we each had to pay him a couple or so hundred dollars. Then he was required to spend at least part of 2 days at our camp. He said he would come by camp on the first afternoon we were there and then again the morning of our second day. Our group did not draw a tag.

This is the Bull$hit that drives 99% of us out of our minds regarding these RIDICULOUS outfitter tag set-asides.
 
This is the Bull$hit that drives 99% of us out of our minds regarding these RIDICULOUS outfitter tag set-asides.
I don't like that at all, nor do I like that WY would force me to use a guide in wilderness areas, but at the end of the day I don't know how I change it as a nonresident.
 
I don't like that at all, nor do I like that WY would force me to use a guide in wilderness areas, but at the end of the day I don't know how I change it as a nonresident.
What makes it even worse is that the 10% outfitter tags that aren't used go back in to the 84% resident pool rather then the messily 6% NR.
 
I would think some of the lower tier units might not have all their outfitter tags applied for, but I don't know for sure
I was halfway asking in jest. It seems like there's 20 applicants for every tag in a lot of the units I've looked into.

But admittedly I haven't even scratched the surface of doing my research.
 
1st - no cow elk opportunities are available for non-residents (NR) in the public draw, so that option is out.

2nd - only 6% of non-outfitter tags are available for NR's for any hunt code. If there aren't enough resident tags to allocate a 6% as a whole number, no NR tags are available for that hunt code. 10% are available for the outfitter pool (keep that in mind for antelope).

3rd - no NR tags are available for WMA areas.

You cannot figure your odds simply by dividing the number of avaliable tags by the total applicants or by how many tags went to what hunt choice ranking; that is merely the distribution of who got a tag based on the hunt choice ranking. NM's draw system makes it to where you cannot figure your true "odds".

There are hunt codes available that make it a little easier to draw a tag if that's all you want - a piece of paper saying you have the right to hunt that animal. Success rates can be really low with those hunts, especially DIY NR with no knowledge of the unit.

As mentioned, there are several great opportunities for youth, doe antelope being one of them, but if your daughter isn't interested in that, it greatly limits the options.

To apply, you buy your hunting license. When you apply, you pay upfront for the full tag price and application fee. If you don't draw, you get the full tag price back. The hunting license and app fee are sunk costs.
 
There are hunt codes available that make it a little easier to draw a tag if that's all you want - a piece of paper saying you have the right to hunt that animal. Success rates can be really low with those hunts, especially DIY NR with no knowledge of the unit.

As mentioned, there are several great opportunities for youth, doe antelope being one of them, but if your daughter isn't interested in that, it greatly limits the options.
I have no interest whatsoever in tags for high-pressure units and honestly I'm unsure at best about going on an out of state 'doe hunt' even if both girls wanted to do so. Cow elk? Oh heck yeah. Doe pronghorn? Ehhhh...nah.

(ETA: I can easily see booking a guided goat hunt then asking the outfitter if he knew any local ranches that might sell a cow elk voucher at a reasonable price)

(Would I shoot a doe pronghorn if we could get maybe 2 buck tags and 1 doe or 3 bucks and then get bonus doe tags for some moderate extra fee? Absolutely. I'm trying to figure that out right now for a WY hunt one day)

You're not telling me what I want to hear, but it's still good to hear and know. I'm glad NM has their draw so early, at least, s if we don't get anything there we can still have at least some sort of contingency plan for WY and CO. Of course, those states have their issues too, not the least being the problem of ending up with two hunts booked in different states.
 
I'm unsure at best about going on an out of state 'doe hunt' even if both girls wanted to do so. Cow elk? Oh heck yeah. Doe pronghorn? Ehhhh...nah.

You're not telling me what I want to hear, but it's still good to hear and know. I'm glad NM has their draw so early, at least, s if we don't get anything there we can still have at least some sort of contingency plan for WY and CO. Of course, those states have their issues too, not the least being the problem of ending up with two hunts booked in different states.

What do you want me to tell you? NM's hunting is great and it has the best draw system with all kinds of opportunities?

I'm sorry an out of state doe hunt is substandard. I didn't realize horns mattered that much.
 
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