New hunting rifle

[Beastmode]

The 6.5 is a great all around caliber, it’s definitely more than capable of taking down elk. It hits like a 300 with the kick of a .308, it will for sure be my next caliber.


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After hunting with both I will say that this is simply not the case. I am by no means saying the 6.5 Is an inadequate caliber but my 6.5 creedmore doesn’t hit anywhere close to as hard as my 300 WM.

Each caliber serves its purpose but when you start thinking a 130-140 grain bullet is going to hit as hard as a 200+ grain bullet that is simply not true. Another thing is in longer range shots your wind call needs to be much more exact on smaller projectiles with a similar BC. One of my favorite spots to shoot is a rock at 600 yards. The difference in the sound of impact between my 300 WM and 6.5 CM is night and day.


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[Unoboats]

So what load in a 300 Win mag are you comparing a 6.5 to? Im clearly misunderstanding your position here. Anything 30 caliber and 140 grain loads will not have as good of BC as a 6.5 140 grain bullet due to the larger bullet diameter and thus shorter bullet OAL to maintain 140 grain’s of weight.

What do you think happens when you push equal weight bullets out of either chamber? 140 grain out of a 300 Win I’m guessing would easily be pushing 3450fps. It may have a lower BC, it’s going to take a LOT of BC to make up the difference of 600fps.

Mike



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180 grains in a 300 are similar but the real issue is over kill. I own a 300 as well as a 375 H&H, but the 260 with proper placement is as effect at similar ranges that the 300 with a 180 grain bullet is without the extra weight and abuse. Still comes down to the shooter to do his job and be reasonable about his capabilities.


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[Bcole82]

After hunting with both I will say that this is simply not the case. I am by no means saying the 6.5 Is an inadequate caliber but my 6.5 creedmore doesn’t hit anywhere close to as hard as my 300 WM.

Each caliber serves its purpose but when you start thinking a 130-140 grain bullet is going to hit as hard as a 200+ grain bullet that is simply not true. Another thing is in longer range shots your wind call needs to be much more exact on smaller projectiles with a similar BC. One of my favorite spots to shoot is a rock at 600 yards. The difference in the sound of impact between my 300 WM and 6.5 CM is night and day.


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Bad wording on my part, obviously 200 grains will hit harder as I said in an earlier post


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[Unoboats]

no worries beastmode, its all a exercise in our opinions of what calibers we feel can do the job at hand. Dead is still dead ,lol

 

[TonySkyline]

I hear what you guys are saying. Watched a ton of videos on the 6.5 last night. Very sleek skinny bullet. Cuts wind nice. Not sure of a comparable round as far as knockdown power. I mean I want it to put a nice size hole and blood trail on the animal. With that said, the Kimber mountain ascent is very lightweight and this round would be perfect as it won t kick as bad. They said with everything above .308 it is hard to get awkward shots off due to the kick.

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[TonySkyline]

What is the .280 round similar to? How does that stack up against the .270, 6.5, and .308?

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[TonySkyline]

Also I heard it's difficult to find ammo? How much does this bullet cost compared to all the others? Seems the .308 is the most common and cheapest of all the ones im considering. Just has a much bigger drop than the 6.5 and .270 it looks like. Maybe the .280 is the ticket in between all of em. Flat like a 6.5 with more knock down power?

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[backcountry_hunter]

280AI has been around a while but has just st recently (within the last 5-10yrs) started to become really popular. It's got performance attributes close to a 7mm with recoil and blast close to a 270. It wasn't until recently that it was registered with SAAMI so there's very limited factory ammo but the list is growing and I'd expect it to continue to grow with more and more rifles being chambered in it. .284s or 7mm's are typically a very efficient round with high BC and a wide range of choices for applications.

The good: crazy good performance for low recoiling rifle. Can shoot 280 ReM. Out of a gun chambered in 280AI. 280 Rem is very common and can be found anywhere. You can fire form your own brass. A true do all caliber for lower 48.

The bad: growing in popularity but slowly, factory ammo is limited. You already have a 7mm. If all you're using it for is antelope and deer there's probably nothing the 280 will do that a 270 won't. If elk are going to be a common target, while I'd prefer a 280ai the 270 will be adequate.

If you don't plan to reload in the future, it would be tough to justify the 280ai. While I'd bet you'll see more factory ammo coming out, I don't know that it'll ever be found like a 270 or 308 in every hardware store.

 

[30338]

Tony, Do you have more than 100 rounds thru your 7mm? Based on reading through this thread, I think the best thing you could do is stock up on 7mm ammo, get off the bench, get prone, sitting, offhand, kneeling, supported, unsupported and shoot the heck out of it. Internet surfing, research, watching videos, etc etc, just go shooting with what you have. Heck mount your new scope on the 7mm and you are good for any and all things big game hunting. Save the rest of your dough and go hunting.

 

[TonySkyline]

I'm out hunting with my 7mm right now. Maybe I can figure a way to lighten this gun up and slowly piece together a custom rifle. Can you purchase just an action?

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[backcountry_hunter]

Tony, Do you have more than 100 rounds thru your 7mm? Based on reading through this thread, I think the best thing you could do is stock up on 7mm ammo, get off the bench, get prone, sitting, offhand, kneeling, supported, unsupported and shoot the heck out of it. Internet surfing, research, watching videos, etc etc, just go shooting with what you have. Heck mount your new scope on the 7mm and you are good for any and all things big game hunting. Save the rest of your dough and go hunting.

sound advice right here.... your 7mm has you covered for virtually everything.

You can buy barrelled actions through an FFL dealer from companies like Howa. Often other companies won't make them but you can get into a entry level 700 action (ADL or SPS) for pretty cheap. If you're not happy with your current 7mm you could take the money you have set aside for a new rifle plus sell your existing and just get a better rifle in the same caliber? Full disclosure, I am biased towards anything 7mm..... If you bought a 280ai there'd be not much use anymore for a 7mm so you could sell it and put that money toward reloading supplies.

 

[HellsCanyon]

I'm out hunting with my 7mm right now. Maybe I can figure a way to lighten this gun up and slowly piece together a custom rifle. Can you purchase just an action?

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If you want to build off that 7mm we can do all sorts of fun stuff and build it how you want it. Including my carbon barrel and new stock to lighten it up for you. Or if you don’t shoot a whole lot, a quality fluted #4 contour will save you weight as well if you don’t have the need for a carbon and don’t mind losing accuracy after 7-8 shots letting the barrel cool down.

Mike


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[TonySkyline]

Does the carbon rust? That is my #1 thing. I need a barrel that is stainless or what not to prevent rusting. Even the weathershield barrel is finally just now showing some slight surface rust after 5 years with it. What is the weight of the stock?

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[Beastmode]

I'm out hunting with my 7mm right now. Maybe I can figure a way to lighten this gun up and slowly piece together a custom rifle. Can you purchase just an action?

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Yes you can


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[TonySkyline]

I seen the howa barreled actions. Anyone have feedback on em?

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[HellsCanyon]

Does the carbon rust? That is my #1 thing. I need a barrel that is stainless or what not to prevent rusting. Even the weathershield barrel is finally just now showing some slight surface rust after 5 years with it. What is the weight of the stock?

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My carbon barrels use a stainless liner. Even stainless will rust over time but it’s the best we have out there for barrel material and corrosion resistance. Can always cerakote over the exterior metallic barrel surfaces and action components to help prevent rust as well.
Stock weights for my builds vary from 26-34 oz typically.

Mike


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[TonySkyline]

Just watched your YouTube vids on your barrels. Pretty cool I must say. I'm new to all this custom stuff so I'm soaking up all the info I can get from every outlet. I'm honestly an archery guy and have a severe bow addiction but the West is calling my name for 2018 and beyond. You only live once and I'll be damned if I stay stuck hunting upstate NY for the rest of my life

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[sneaky]

I thought the 6.5 has less drop than the .308? Will the 6.5 in a heavier grain bullet take down mule deer and pronghorn? I seen another thread and it said the 6.5 is similar to the 300 win mag as far as flat shooting accuracy and distance. Just didn't have the force when it hits

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You won't realize the better ballistic coefficients of the 6.5 til you get out past 500-600 yards. The 308 hits harder than the 6.5 at any reasonable distance (sub 500). You can buy in to the 6.5 club and be limited in loads, or you can get a 308, or 7mm08 and be just as well off with more bullet, load, selections.

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[sneaky]

The 6.5 is a great all around caliber, it’s definitely more than capable of taking down elk. It hits like a 300 with the kick of a .308, it will for sure be my next caliber.


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Hits like a 300? A 300 Savage? It's nowhere comparable to a 300Win. I'd take a 7mm08 any day over a 6.5CM

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[Formidilosus]

You won't realize the better ballistic coefficients of the 6.5 til you get out past 500-600 yards. The 308 hits harder than the 6.5 at any reasonable distance (sub 500). You can buy in to the 6.5 club and be limited in loads, or you can get a 308, or 7mm08 and be just as well off with more bullet, load, selections.

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The advantage of higher BC and lower recoil show up at all ranges. I can't say that any small arm cartridges "hits".... Tissue damage between 6.5's and smaller 30 cals are nearly identical.

There's nothing limiting about the loads available for the 6.5 Creedmoor.