New colorado broadhead company

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I never understood why BH companies tout hardness. Hardness can also mean brittle. The only bad thing, but common thing I have read about solids is that they break or chip. The hardness of 30v is exactly why based what I think I understand about steel. I have never read that about German Kinetics.

Someone always has to pay the piper.....harder, sharper, brittle, etc...


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The hardness of 30v is exactly why based what I think I understand about steel.

I don't think it's the hardness with s30v that makes them brittle, I think it's the process of making s30v that makes it susceptible to chipping and breaking. I don't know much about A2 steel, but shooting one of these into a cinder or concrete block would be interesting. I might get bored enough at some point this year to try that.

I also wonder about the perfect true flight of these with only one screw. Seems as though the head of the screw would throw the balance off a little.
 

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Seems interesting and I like to support little guys whenever possible but I don't think these would provide enough benefit over other broad heads that are half as much.
 

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Yeah they may be worth a try for $39 for a 3 pack. Thought that's what it was at first. I can't see where these are $60 better than other fixed blade COC's.
 

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Looks like one heck of a good head from the material selection. The question is really "how much better...if at all?"

How much stronger does a guy need over something like the VPA one piece steel heads which are practically indestructible at less than 1/2 the price?
 

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Wow spendy is right at $40.00 a piece. The Montecs have killed everything I've ever stuck something with at 3 for the price of one of these.
 

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I like them, although I assume they are aren't USA made. The price doesn't scare me if the quality it there.
 

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I never understood why BH companies tout hardness. Hardness can also mean brittle. The only bad thing, but common thing I have read about solids is that they break or chip. The hardness of 30v is exactly why based what I think I understand about steel. I have never read that about German Kinetics.

Someone always has to pay the piper.....harder, sharper, brittle, etc...]


It's true there is a trade-off between hardness and toughness, especially in stainless steels. With A2 tool steel you can get the best of both: high hardness (for extremely sharp edges & edge retention) and high toughness (for bone impact). The heat treat process is key. We do a cryogenic treatment (to minimize retained austenite) and a triple temper. By tempering 3 times, we can maintain the high hardness and increase the toughness on each draw.

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Iron Will Outfitters
 

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I spoke with Bill, the designer at length at the denver sportsmans show, and ended up going home with a 3 pack of the 125's.

my initial impressions are:
the cutting diamter: main blade: 1.062"; bleeder: .75"; thickness, .062"
this is not a large broadhead. it is short, stout, and designed to get an exit hole. its smaller profile is designed to shoot long distances. this will be a turnoff to some. i like larger heads when i'm taking close shots a whitetails from a treestand, but out west, broadhead size is not really of concern to me, i want a pass through, and i want to be able to go through an elk.

these things are sharp as heck. i dropped one and caught it on the way to the floor, and the bleeder stuck into my finger from just the weight of the head. i very easily pushed the head through a piece of paper with it slicing through with almost no effort.

easy to disassemble for sharpening/cleaning. the bleeder and main blade lock together, and there is a screw to release the main blade. pretty simple, standard stuff.

weight: my 125gr heads weigh: 132.1, 132.1, 132.1gr on my hornady scale.
just because i like things exact, i'd like these to weigh right at 125gr. i like they are exceptionally consistent one head to the next, but i'd prefer closer to 125. for reference, one of my strickland helix i have on my desk weighs 126.0. I talked to Bill about this and he believes this will be corrected with the next batch, and offered to replace mine for me. I shoot a 640gr arrow, 6gr up front is not going to make a difference to me.

after getting to talk engineering with Bill for a while i was very impressed with how much testing he has done on the ferrules, blades, etc... he showed me some Solid BH blades that he had snapped in an instron machine, and claimed the iron will blades took 50% more force before they snapped. while i certainly cannot prove this, i'm just taking the man at his word. his tolerances he demands of his manufacturers he said drives them nuts, as he is a perfectionist. all of his materials are made in the US, and i was happy to support a fellow colorado engineer. Cheap, these heads are not... but this is certainly a quality product, with a lifetime warranty. i do not like one and done broadheads, just like i do not shoot cheap bullets in my rifles. the broadhead is the business end that actually kills the animal, just like the bullet, and i prefer to go with something of higher quality. my initial thoughts are very good, this is a stout piece of equipment.

i have not been able to get out and shoot like i wanted lately, work/travel/weather is getting in the way. when i can i'll report on the long range accuracy i am seeing.
 

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I can't imagine the world needs yet another broadhead company. It has to be one of the most over saturated product categories in all of retail.
 

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I like that they are using a2 steel.
After getting into knives and sharpening a bit I can say a2 is an awesome steel if done right.

Expensive, if they had a deep six option is give them a try based only on hat I really like my a2 steel blades in that they are easy to get and stay scary sharp

An plans on a deep six version
 
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