New 6.5 Creedmor, 130 or 140 grain rounds?

[huntsman22]

What? nobody likes the 135 JLK's?.....

 

[Sodbuster]

huntsman22

What? nobody likes the 147 eld?.....

Got some laying in the shop but they are waiting for my 6.5-06 IMP to get finished.

I have a pile of VLD 130 and 140's and fell into a good load with 140's and Superformance right out the gate.
18 inch on a Barrett. Archery season about to get good so done reloading for now.

 

[Sodbuster]

wind gypsy

Nodes in my 6.5x47 are 2770 fps for 140 hybrids and jlks and 2950 for the 130 AR hybrid or Hunting vld. The 130s do just fine.

Good speed,wind gypsy.

 

[danmayland]

I don't disagree that typically 140s will outperform 130s in wind drift but what you posted looks to be a 140 at higher pressure than the 130 load. I bet I can push a 130 JLK fast enough in a creedmoor to perform as well as a 140 eld.

Nodes in my 6.5x47 are 2770 fps for 140 hybrids and jlks and 2950 for the 130 AR hybrid or Hunting vld. The 130s do just fine.

You must have a pretty fast barrel and yes you are correct. The node is right at 2770 for the 140's. I could push the 130's harder but I found a good node right at 2820-2850. The 130 is a good bullet no doubt but the 140 still carries more energy which is what you want for a hunting round.

Are you running RL 17 to get those velocities? I guess you could probably get there with 36.2 grns of varget for the laupua.


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[Beastmode]

This is completely false. False False False. You can dang near find a "sweet spot" with any rifle and any bullet weight. Some guns will be choosy about bullets but not bullet weight. People will say their gun doesn't like a particular bullet weight but have they really tried every bullet in that weight group? I'd wager not and I'd also wager they would find one with the right recipe that will shoot well.

The most efficient bullets in the 6.5 CM are 140 grain bullets.

The most efficient bullets in .284 (7mm) are 165-180grn

The most efficient billets in 30 cal are usually in the 200-215 grn. Clearly it depends on the specific cartridge. A 300 rum is completely different than a 30-06.

Now back to the question. 140 bullets are much more efficient than the 130 bullets. Here's the data.

All data for a 6.5 cm

140 ELDM @ 2770 fps. My current load

130 Berger vld @ 2820 fps.

130 Berger vld @ 2820 fps with 10mph cross wind

140 ELDM @ 2770 fps and 10mph wind

Those who don't want to read the data:

The 130 drops almost 9 inches more than the 140 at 1000 yards.

The 130 drifts 16.5 inches more at 1000 yards in a 10mph wind.

The 130 has almost 200ft lbs less energy at 1000 than the 140.

Shot what you want and what your rifle likes. If you reload you won't have a problem finding a good load with either weight of bullet.



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Your data proves what a lot of guys have come to realize and that is a 130 with more velocity stays neck and neck with the 140 until you get way out there. If I’m planning on shooting anything at over 900 yards (where the 140 really starts to outperform) I’m going to be shooting a larger caliber. For most hunting situations the 130 bullets is a better option. Realistically you are looking at a flatter shooting round in the 130 vs the 140 in most cases where this round will actually be used. Especially when you look at a more realistic velocity difference of 75-100 FPS.


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[wind gypsy]

You must have a pretty fast barrel and yes you are correct. The node is right at 2770 for the 140's. I could push the 130's harder but I found a good node right at 2820-2850. The 130 is a good bullet no doubt but the 140 still carries more energy which is what you want for a hunting round.

Are you running RL 17 to get those velocities? I guess you could probably get there with 36.2 grns of varget for the laupua.


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It's a factory Desert Tech 26" barrel with an assload of freebore. Basically enough freebore that a 130 jlk doesn't have enough bearing surface in the neck for me if touching lands.

My 130 loads are 42.0 grains H4350, I don't recall what my 140s were but also with H4350.

 

[wind gypsy]

Basic takeaway - either will work fine. If using fragmenting bullets in close it probably won't hurt you to slow it down a notch with heavier bullets.

I know a guy who does a lot of depredation deer killing in TN and he has shown me a lot of pictures indicating the 140 amax/eld kills better than bergers.

 

[GKPrice]

I'm not twisted. You're just providing false information with no factual basis.

Please explain how it's "easiest load to get to shoot accurate and kill, with the least amount of dialing in" with a 130 grn bullet over a 140 grn bullet. 140 grn bullets are no more finicky or difficult to load than a 130 in a 1-8 twist barrel.


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SHEESH ! just let it go already - he said what he posted was "HIS" take - FWIW, I too prefer the 130 class - don't shoot 1000, don't even shoot 700 with it, at 400 the 130 Accubond kills EFFICIENTLY and "stays together as designed" .... good enuf for me

 

[GKPrice]

your data proves what a lot of guys have come to realize and that is a 130 with more velocity stays neck and neck with the 140 until you get way out there. If i’m planning on shooting anything at over 900 yards (where the 140 really starts to outperform) i’m going to be shooting a larger caliber. For most hunting situations the 130 bullets is a better option. Realistically you are looking at a flatter shooting round in the 130 vs the 140 in most cases where this round will actually be used. Especially when you look at a more realistic velocity difference of 75-100 fps.


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^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ agree

 

[luke moffat]

I have only tried one bullet in my 6.5 Creedmoor so take it for what it is. Since getting the rifle in February it's taken 16 animals to date in its short 8 month life. The one bullet is the 143 eldx. Factory hornady precision ammo shoots them at 2630 fps out of my rifle and it handily killed two caribou. The other 14 animals were shot with my handloads pushing the 143 eldx at 2840 fps. It seems to work great on all the animals shot from deer to caribou to even grizzly bear.

For me and just learning the shooot at distance game I have come to not be nearly as concerned about how much a bullet drops if you dial but the wind drift. You can pretty easily accommodate especially at 500 yards for elevation with a good tracking scope but wind will always be a bit of black magic. Even at 500 yards (not way out there for many folks here) the 130 grain in Danmayland example above the 130 grain drifts over 30% more even at 500 yards and just gets worse from there. 30% more wind call is a lot and I am not the greatest at reading wind so and advantage to lessen the winds affect on the bullet I will take even if it means a slightly less flat trajectory that can be easy to over come at 500 yards with a decent reticle or elevation turret.

I just took my 6.5 out to 1406 yards yesterday and hit the 16" (yes slightly larger than MOA) the gong on my second shot after seeing the splash and correcting for wind on he first. My bother got behind the gun right after me and put two more back to back on the 16" gong. All 3 shots were within 8" of eachother. I like the 143 a lot especially pushing them to 2840 fps and it's performed great on the critter shot with them now. Also obviously works well hanging steel at distance as well. But for some reason I wanna try the 147 ELDM version. Even if I have to back down from 2840to 2800 fps even for the 4 grain heavier bullet I still get 10% less wind drift even at 500 yards and I will take all the help I can on windage.

I personally would start with the heavy Bullets and if they don't work back up and try the 130s either will work no doubt. Again extremely limited and def still learning this and a long way to go but just my observations over the past 8 months or so.

 

[freediver111]

I have only tried one bullet in my 6.5 Creedmoor so take it for what it is. Since getting the rifle in February it's taken 16 animals to date in its short 8 month life. The one bullet is the 143 eldx. Factory hornady precision ammo shoots them at 2630 fps out of my rifle and it handily killed two caribou. The other 14 animals were shot with my handloads pushing the 143 eldx at 2840 fps. It seems to work great on all the animals shot from deer to caribou to even grizzly bear.

For me and just learning the shooot at distance game I have come to not be nearly as concerned about how much a bullet drops if you dial but the wind drift. You can pretty easily accommodate especially at 500 yards for elevation with a good tracking scope but wind will always be a bit of black magic. Even at 500 yards (not way out there for many folks here) the 130 grain in Danmayland example above the 130 grain drifts over 30% more even at 500 yards and just gets worse from there. 30% more wind call is a lot and I am not the greatest at reading wind so and advantage to lessen the winds affect on the bullet I will take even if it means a slightly less flat trajectory that can be easy to over come at 500 yards with a decent reticle or elevation turret.

I just took my 6.5 out to 1406 yards yesterday and hit the 16" (yes slightly larger than MOA) the gong on my second shot after seeing the splash and correcting for wind on he first. My bother got behind the gun right after me and put two more back to back on the 16" gong. All 3 shots were within 8" of eachother. I like the 143 a lot especially pushing them to 2840 fps and it's performed great on the critter shot with them now. Also obviously works well hanging steel at distance as well. But for some reason I wanna try the 147 ELDM version. Even if I have to back down from 2840to 2800 fps even for the 4 grain heavier bullet I still get 10% less wind drift even at 500 yards and I will take all the help I can on windage.

I personally would start with the heavy Bullets and if they don't work back up and try the 130s either will work no doubt. Again extremely limited and def still learning this and a long way to go but just my observations over the past 8 months or so.

I guess I'll have to buy a bunch of bullets and tinker, but I think I'll have to try some 130's and 140's, and obviously the 143's.I've had good luck with accubonds in my .338, but I want to try Berger's as well. Mind if I ask what powder you're using and barrel length? 2,840 fps seems fast for 143 grains from what I've been reading.

 

[GKPrice]

I guess I'll have to buy a bunch of bullets and tinker, but I think I'll have to try some 130's and 140's, and obviously the 143's.I've had good luck with accubonds in my .338, but I want to try Berger's as well. Mind if I ask what powder you're using and barrel length? 2,840 fps seems fast for 143 grains from what I've been reading.

there are 6.5/140 grain Accubonds too ...... I also found the 200 / 338 Accubonds to shoot very well in my 338's, begrudgingly made a 510 yard shot on a bull and much to my surprise connected on the first shot - moral ? "numbers" don't always tell the whole story

for the guys who will besmirch an accubond on terminal performance then turn around and crow about the ELD X, I don't know what to tell you short of bonded core bullets don't turn into "bombs" but cup n core have been known to quite often .....

 

[luke moffat]

24" barrel and RL-26 in Lapua brass with 450 CCI primers.

 

[wind gypsy]

24" barrel and RL-26 in Lapua brass with 450 CCI primers.

You made me google RL26 6.5 Creedmoor to make sure that isn't a typo and Holy Piss are people hot rodding their creedmoors with it! People running 140s at 3k+ FPS, basically close to what I'm getting out of my 6.5 SAUM.

 

[Boreal]

24" barrel and RL-26 in Lapua brass with 450 CCI primers.

RL26?! I haven't tried that yet. I've been really satisfied with my 127 LRX at 2950 MV. Might have to see what that's all about now.

 

[wind gypsy]

RL26?! I haven't tried that yet. I've been really satisfied with my 127 LRX at 2950 MV. Might have to see what that's all about now.

You might run out of case capacity before you reach a max with a 127 LRX.

 

[Boreal]

You might run out of case capacity before you reach a max with a 127 LRX.

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I realized that I'm really satisfied with my 127 LRX at 2950 mv. I don't think I'm going to try it. Too many things to tinker with.

 

[luke moffat]

RL26?! I haven't tried that yet. I've been really satisfied with my 127 LRX at 2950 MV. Might have to see what that's all about now.

Can't say for sure but being as the 127 is 40 thou shorter than the 143 it may be worth a shot or two (pun intended). ES has been great as has the temp sensitivity thus far.

RL26 is very dense. I can fit 4 more grains of RL26 than I can RL17 with filling the case to the same level.

 

[luke moffat]

You made me google RL26 6.5 Creedmoor to make sure that isn't a typo and Holy Piss are people hot rodding their creedmoors with it! People running 140s at 3k+ FPS, basically close to what I'm getting out of my 6.5 SAUM.

Haha yeah no typo. I worked up my load to 2850 this spring and it was super accurate and I see zero pressure signs and primer pockets are still super tight. Works great to 1406 yesterday with everyone there using that load to hit a 16" gong at that distance. Not bad between 4 shooters and one being my lefty brother.

 

[Boreal]

Not bad between 4 shooters and one being my lefty brother.

Alright, you had us up to this point. You really expect us to believe that a LEFTY made a shot like that?