NEW 338ARC, what say ye?

[Bluefish]

Not sure if it’s the same guy I’m thinking of but there’s a guy smoking deer with 570gr subs in a bolt gun at like 500 yards. It’s wild

I used 500g 45-70 subs last year. Other than drop they will easily get a deer out a long way. They just don’t slow down. G1 is .44 for the bullet I was using with a minimum opening speed of 800 fps.

 

[Formidilosus]

Form are you shooting subs for fun or purpose? What bullet do you use?

Yes.

Hornady 190gr Sub-X is easy to choose. 240gr SMK works as well if you can stabilize it.

 

[rharbaugh]

Yes.

Hornady 190gr Sub-X is easy to choose. 240gr SMK works as well if you can stabilize it.

Are you shooting animals with the 240s? Curious on terminal performance.


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[Formidilosus]

Are you shooting animals with the 240s? Curious on terminal performance.


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I have, yes. They yaw and tumble, usually creating a 1.5” or so elongated exit.

Subs are a broadhead.

 

[ARK_Ginger]

"Why 338 ARC sucks"

Listening the Kevin cry and moan about this new release is the best part.

I think Q makes some innovative products, but his claims are a bit much.

 

[4090Sharps]

"Why 338 ARC sucks"

Listening the Kevin cry and moan about this new release is the best part.

I think Q makes some innovative products, but his claims are a bit much.

His claims are ridiculous.

 

[Gstew1930]

308 with trail boss is much quieter than a 300 BLK. Its a lot of fun to shoot

 

[doc holiday13]

308 with trail boss is much quieter than a 300 BLK. Its a lot of fun to shoot

It is a pretty sick combo. Years ago i was walloping a huge stone at like 350 yards with 180g RN with i think it was 9g trailboss. I think it was 10 moa hold over. That was a great afternoon of shooting. First 2 shots were pure guesses 2nd shot gave me a dust impact so I gave it some kentucky windage and wammo it made impact

 

[ARK_Ginger]

His claims are ridiculous.

He's got to hype the market somehow, Otherwise I don't believe 8.6blk would exist and 300blk certainly wouldn't be where it's at today.

I drank the 300blk koolaid for a bit and this forum helped me see the light. It just amazes me that so many people are buying into the 8.6 crap. It's not affordable to shoot and the fast twist barrels corners people into expensive projectiles (not that there's really any cheap 338 projos). AR10s have come a long way in numbers and cost but the overwhelming majority of them are still boat anchors.

I think if hornady can keep the loaded ammo costs down on the 338 arc and develop a SST or FTX projectile to operate a the lower velocities the cartridge will do pretty well. I like the idea of a 12.5" upper that can consistently shoot out to 200/300 with subs, my 300blk never seemed accurate enough to achieve that.

 

[AZ_Hunter]

"Why 338 ARC sucks"

Listening the Kevin cry and moan about this new release is the best part.

I think Q makes some innovative products, but his claims are a bit much.

100%. Hyperbolic to an extreme.

That said, I have no use for the 338 arc. 300blk w/subs is for giggles only for me. Unless the world goes to hell and I need a way to defend the home front in stealth mode with NODS…

 

[4090Sharps]

I think if hornady can keep the loaded ammo costs down on the 338 arc and develop a SST or FTX projectile to operate a the lower velocities the cartridge will do pretty well. I like the idea of a 12.5" upper that can consistently shoot out to 200/300 with subs, my 300blk never seemed accurate enough to achieve that.

If it does well I could see Berry's coming out with an inexpensive plated bullet like they have for the .300 Blk. The 300 Blk is all about cheap fun for me and the readily available brass and bullet diameter help out a lot there. Maybe the 338 ARC will get there too.

 

[UnckleBob]

Not gonna lie, there is a guy on YT that has a bolt action 458 socom and that thing packs a wallop. Awful tempting in my mind

This is what my 450 Bushmaster did at 100 yards. (I was not the shooter) There is no such thing as too dead, but there is such a thing called too much meat damage. It is a fun range toy, but I will never hunt with it unless Dragons are involved.

 

[UnckleBob]

He's got to hype the market somehow, Otherwise I don't believe 8.6blk would exist and 300blk certainly wouldn't be where it's at today.

I drank the 300blk koolaid for a bit and this forum helped me see the light. It just amazes me that so many people are buying into the 8.6 crap. It's not affordable to shoot and the fast twist barrels corners people into expensive projectiles (not that there's really any cheap 338 projos). AR10s have come a long way in numbers and cost but the overwhelming majority of them are still boat anchors.

I think if hornady can keep the loaded ammo costs down on the 338 arc and develop a SST or FTX projectile to operate a the lower velocities the cartridge will do pretty well. I like the idea of a 12.5" upper that can consistently shoot out to 200/300 with subs, my 300blk never seemed accurate enough to achieve that.

He admitted he designed the 8.6 for SBR's. Hornady went for the masses with carbine length barrels.

 

[ARK_Ginger]

He admitted he designed the 8.6 for SBR's. Hornady went for the masses with carbine length barrels.

That's the thing, there's not really such a thing as something designed for short barrels or not. This was commonly stated by the 300blk crowd, but longer barrels produce more velocity and most powders are burned in the first couple inches of barrel regardless of caliber/cartridge.

One of the issues for 8.6 blk is a large case capacity for subs. Not saying everything hornady says is right, but using a smaller case allows them to have a better load density to help keep SDs consistent.

If Hornady makes cheap factory ammo for this and it's widely available, it'll kill 8.6 commercially. People will probably get fast twist barrels in the 338 ARC to get on that hype train.

 

[Bluefish]

That's the thing, there's not really such a thing as something designed for short barrels or not. This was commonly stated by the 300blk crowd, but longer barrels produce more velocity and most powders are burned in the first couple inches of barrel regardless of caliber/cartridge.

One of the issues for 8.6 blk is a large case capacity for subs. Not saying everything hornady says is right, but using a smaller case allows them to have a better load density to help keep SDs consistent.

If Hornady makes cheap factory ammo for this and it's widely available, it'll kill 8.6 commercially. People will probably get fast twist barrels in the 338 ARC to get on that hype train.

I think just the ar-15 vs ar-10 will doom the 8.6.

 

[ARK_Ginger]

I think just the ar-15 vs ar-10 will doom the 8.6.

Absolutely. Well that and PSA is listed as a manufacturer on board. Most don't have a need for either cartridge, but some $300 PSA upper specials will get a lot of people invested.

 

[ARK_Ginger]

If the AAC ammo is competitive with 300blk prices I get the feeling this will do pretty decent. 9mm cans have gotten pretty popular/durable to handle the 350 legend and can cross over to this.

 

[RockAndSage]

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If the AAC ammo is competitive with 300blk prices I get the feeling this will do pretty decent. 9mm cans have gotten pretty popular/durable to handle the 350 legend and can cross over to this.

That's going to do quite a bit for broader market adoption.