Native American Artifacts

[wowzers]

My one and only.

 

[Huntndog]

 

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What are these impressions? Locations where people worked and created those wear marks?

Edit: Sorry, this question was answered above.

 

[2531usmc]

Cool thread, lots of unique items.

It would be interesting to learn more about these artifacts. How old are they, what do we know about the people that used them?

Can anyone recommend some reference material or web site so can learn more?

 

[Tobe_B]

Shoeing horses one day and the client asked if I wanted to see the burial site they dug up when starting to build his arena. Lots of cool artifacts, including skeletal remains of a family. The archeologists placed the findings somewhere around 0 a.d.

 

[OsoMountain]

Cool thread, lots of unique items.

It would be interesting to learn more about these artifacts. How old are they, what do we know about the people that used them?

Can anyone recommend some reference material or web site so can learn more?

https://www.projectilepoints.net/ is a WONDERFUL resource to look through.

I’d like to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. It had made my week! I’m currently gearing to go back to school for archeology as a forty year old geezer. So this thread has me motivated to get back into school to finish my degree!

 

[Fire_9]

Shoeing horses one day and the client asked if I wanted to see the burial site they dug up when starting to build his arena. Lots of cool artifacts, including skeletal remains of a family. The archeologists placed the findings somewhere around 0 a.d.

I would have moved the arena. Bad juju digging that up...

 

[solarshooter]

the client asked if I wanted to see the burial site they dug up when starting to build his arena

Glossing right over this pretty heinous act....

 

[Mev002]

Here is the first one I ever found, and my best find to say the least.

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[Tobe_B]

I would have moved the arena. Bad juju digging that up...

Glossing right over this pretty heinous act....

They put it all back, had the tribe out to do a religious ceremony, even though it was a completely different set of native people, and moved the arena to a different part of the property. They even re-buried the pot I was holding. Quite honestly it was all handled extremely respectfully. Super cool experience to learn something and have direct contact with the old Anasazi people.

 

[solarshooter]

They put it all back, had the tribe out to do a religious ceremony, even though it was a completely different set of native people, and moved the arena to a different part of the property. They even re-buried the pot I was holding. Quite honestly it was all handled extremely respectfully. Super cool experience to learn something and have direct contact with the old Anasazi people.

Ahh that is a much better end to the story. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Ahh that is a much better end to the story. Thanks for sharing.

The hospital at which my mother worked was built on top of an indigenous village. When they built the extension in the early 1980s, it ended up on top of the burial ground. My father, an archaeologist who specializes in Europe, happened to be visiting her at work and ended up running in front of the bulldozers and collecting several artifacts, including several pots and a beautiful example of native copper jewelry. Due to small-town politics, the local museum would not step in to stop construction.

 

[solarshooter]

The hospital at which my mother worked was built on top of an indigenous village. When they built the extension in the early 1980s, it ended up on top of the burial ground. My father, an archaeologist who specializes in Europe, happened to be visiting her at work and ended up running in front of the bulldozers and collecting several artifacts, including several pots and a beautiful example of native copper jewelry. Due to small-town politics, the local museum would not step in to stop construction.

And people wonder why there is so much latent hatred and resentment toward Western Colonial society from indigenous people. The 1980s is SO recent. Once you start learning the history of what stood before all our matchstick homes and concrete infrastructure, it will make you see our society in a completely different light. There's a reason this history isn't taught in schools beyond some acute conflicts. The crimes are still happening.

I live and work in the Duwamish river delta. I learned about the history of the Duwamish people and river when I was growing up. I did NOT however know about the Black River diversion of the 1910s. Now I see the whole area in a completely different light. And I realize a lot more about why the Cedar River salmon populations are so low.

 

[RockAndSage]

And people wonder why there is so much latent hatred and resentment toward Western Colonial society from indigenous people.

I see your points, and don't disagree on a couple of specifics. Two wrongs don't make a right. And yet, nobody can honestly, deeply study the US experience from the beginning without recognizing that all sides were brutal to each other - cyclically - and that no side is innocent of atrocity. The myth of the peaceful or noble native is one of the biggest lies of all. It was a time where you were either savage, or you were wiped out. Regardless of skin color. I'm quite tired of the one-sided narratives.

 

[RockAndSage]

My father, an archaeologist who specializes in Europe, happened to be visiting her at work and ended up running in front of the bulldozers and collecting several artifacts, including several pots and a beautiful example of native copper jewelry. Due to small-town politics, the local museum would not step in to stop construction.

That must have been absolutely agonizing for him. The stuff that people have been reporting about burial mounds around the Mississippi and eastward that they almost entirely wiped out, especially with reports of copper artifacts and how a lot of the mounds seem to be aligned with celestial events, is horrible to see lost. The fact that this happened in the 1980s just makes it all the worse.

 

[solarshooter]

I see your points, and don't disagree on a couple of specifics. Two wrongs don't make a right. And yet, nobody can honestly, deeply study the US experience from the beginning without recognizing that all sides were brutal to each other - cyclically - and that no side is innocent of atrocity. The myth of the peaceful or noble native is one of the biggest lies of all. It was a time where you were either savage, or you were wiped out. Regardless of skin color. I'm quite tired of the one-sided narratives.

This is fair. But there is an undeniable difference in outcomes, comparing a few hundred years of colonialism to 10,000 years of indigenous societies on the American continents. The scale and one-sidedness of the violence is not the same.

 

[RockAndSage]

The scale and one-sidedness of the violence is not the same.

The Comanche, and the Native, Hispanic, and White communities they slaughtered might disagree. I mean, hey, nothing like having your whole society so militarized, that your women engage in ritualized torture of enemy children and women. The Comancheria was a violent hellscape long before Whites arrived man - nobody outscaled the Comanche in terms of whole-of-society violent culture.

This entire issue is simply not one-sided by any measure. The violence was endemic, especially west of the Mississippi. My family is part Blackfeet. They speak an Algonquin language, and originated from the east. You know how they got to western Montana? By slaughtering everyone who got in the way. They have one of the largest reservations in the country - by slaughtering anyone who came into their territory. They literally had the US government concerned they'd lead another Indian war in the 1920s. The only thing one-sided in the entire story is who won.

 

[RockAndSage]

All that said, we can still deeply appreciate what was lost - and get back to appreciating what people have found in this thread.