My First Alaskan Moose Trip

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Long overdue, but will share my first trip to Alaska moose hunting. A friend of mine, his dad, and another lad had been planning this hunt over 2 years out. Of course I probably read every thread on here about moose hunting and what to bring, expect, etc... Our texts between each other usually consisted of gear selection, current sales, and of course pictures of stud moose in the alaskan bush.

I flew in to Alaska and the other three took the long drive through Canada from Tennessee to get the full experience. We all met up at the airstrip where they left their trailer. They said the drive was super long, but got to see some awesome sights along the way. The next morning had us meeting our transporter getting some breakfast and then prepping gear for the bush plane ride in. We had decided the order of who would fly in first and set some priorities of work once the first guy hit the ground.

I fly helicopters for a living and when I stepped in the bush plane to head out I was in heaven. I can honestly say I almost enjoyed the flight in and out as much as the hunt. Perhaps a future calling.... We had a clear sunny day flying in (one of two for the 11 days in the bush....) and was able to see alot of beautiful country going in to include some rams.

Once we all got in to camp and gear was situated we constructed a cook area and strung up tarps for our hangout space. Since you cant fly and hunt on the same day we just checked our gear and glassed the area around camp deciding on our game plan for the first day of the hunt. The first hunting day would be our only day it didn't rain on us. We decided to move up above the trees calling as we went to get a good feel for the area which would lead to our first encounter. We split up into two teams of two. We hunted high and the other stayed low. We ended up above tree line around lunch and sat down to rest and eat a snack while calling. The flash of a white paddle in the trees is hard to miss or forget. Just like that I had a bull moose in my scope. Judging the 50" requirement was definitely the hardest part of the trip even accounting for butchering and packing a moose in my opinion. The bull works all the way into 30 yards and we can't make the call. We think he was like 49" maybe 50". Here he is. The bull I passed on the first day of hunting. This will come back to haunt me later...
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Day 2 comes and we move down into the thick trees and call. Almost felt like turkey hunting, but didn't move as frequent. We ended up calling in another bull to 60 yards and passed on him. He was definitely easier to judge. For the next few days we would do this and we had a blast walking through the mushy ground and browsing on blueberries along the way. As the time passed we all split up in hopes to increase our odds and it worked. Another bull was passed from the other guy with us. After the fact he thinks he was legal, but its hard to pull the trigger on one when its close.

My friends dad and him hunted the next day and me and the other guy moved areas and went high again to glass. What happened next was amazing. We were glassing down into the trees and my friend says bull! He sees a white flash come out into an opening at least a mile away and sure we see two hunters setup on him and the bull is moving towards them. We hear the shot and watch the bull stumble off and we think he crashes but it was hard to tell. We knew it was our guys and we checked the compass and GPS and headed off in that direction. Long story short we drifted some and ended up going back to camp to wait on them. My friends dad took an amazing bull with some awesome fronts.
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We learned a lot on butchering a bull that day and next morning! 4 guys made it easier for sure and Mr. Dill is right on doing it solo would suck a**.

Quick excerpt on gear: We stayed in this Cabelas tent provided by the transporter and it was ok, but I should have taken my Kifaru Sawtooth. Having room to standup and get dressed is invaluable. We did stay dry sleeping, but we had rain 9 out of the 11 days. We had 3 tarps and more would be beneficial. Having a place to hang out at camp or eat breakfast and drink coffee is a must have. I had a Kifaru Reckoning and it worked flawlessly. I had multiple loads near the 100lb mark. Definitely sucked, but bearable. Three of us had .300 Win and I carried a Tikka 7RM. I bought some kayak waterproof pants and they worked great. A little loud but not really a factor when rifle hunting IMO. I did have some condensation, but totally worth it when everything is wet all day long or when the rain is coming down. For butchering we had two small folding saws and your basic hunting knives. Nothing crazy. 3-4" blades worked fine.

A few shots of our camp.
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Our bush kitchen
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Now to the bad part of the trip. I headed off calling in an opening and ended up calling a bull in. Now when the transporter came to pick up our friend's dad's bull I showed him the pictures and video of the bull I passed on day 1. He said if he was hunting that day he would have shot him... With that in my mind here I am looking at this bull with the same angles of the paddles and the fronts are identical. A spit brow and one spear. I had my phone out and would look at him then the picture. I did this multiple time as he stared into the trees I was hiding behind. I made the call. I shot the bull. As I walked up to him I had that bad feeling in the pit of my stomach. I had my trekking poles marked off for 50" and when I got the pole set I could tell..... he was short. Talk about a horrible feeling. After getting my sh** together I mark him on the GPS and head to camp to grab help. We hike back up and get him quartered up and bagged up. It takes us until dark to get him down to camp. Fast forward and I am dealing with Alaska Game and fish when we get out of the bush. If anyone has questions on what happens if you shoot a short bull you can shoot me a pm. Most guys probably wouldn't post it, but I am to tell you all who are going moose hunting to really spend the time learning to judge a moose spread. I would offer that unless he is legal by his brow tines or you know for a fact he is over 50 don't chance it.

Overall the trip was amazing even after making a serious mistake. The experience of Alaska was incredible and I would encourage all of those wanting to try it to just go for it. I am already looking at going back! Here are some more pictures of the trip. If he you have questions on anything specific shoot. Sorry I was long winded.

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I really enjoyed your write-up and story sir. You conveyed your enthusiasm and appreciation beautifully, and the pictures were excellent. Your advice to others is right on, especially the part about counting brow-tine is far more assuring (but not without it's own challenge) than trying to judge a 50" spread. If it makes you feel any better, I can say as a thirty year hunting Alaskan, that I don't trust myself at all to judge the difference between 49 or 51. I personally would not have shot the first bull that you passed on because I am not sure that he was 50+ (I'm with you and I think he was sub-50")...the picture of him shows his palms basically laying more front to back (less spread) as opposed to laying more flat and pointing more outward (more spread). Each moose rack is different...sometimes way different! You did what you thought was right, and then you did the right thing when you found out that you made a mistake. That's as good as it gets sir.
 
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Thanks for the write up. I’m planning a 2020 hunt and the 50” part is the one thing that has me really worried.
I agree that I would have passed on that first bull, guessing him in the high ‘40’s.

Are you able or willing to share a pic of your bull? Via Pm is fine if you don’t want it on the web.

What was the range of your rifle shot and the other guy’s?

Where did you learn to call? YouTube, DVDs, other?

Anything besides your moose and shelter that you would have done differently?
 
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I really enjoyed your write-up and story sir. You conveyed your enthusiasm and appreciation beautifully, and the pictures were excellent. Your advice to others is right on, especially the part about counting brow-tine is far more assuring (but not without it's own challenge) than trying to judge a 50" spread. If it makes you feel any better, I can say as a thirty year hunting Alaskan, that I don't trust myself at all to judge the difference between 49 or 51. I personally would not have shot the first bull that you passed on because I am not sure that he was 50+ (I'm with you and I think he was sub-50")...the picture of him shows his palms basically laying more front to back (less spread) as opposed to laying more flat and pointing more outward (more spread). Each moose rack is different...sometimes way different! You did what you thought was right, and then you did the right thing when you found out that you made a mistake. That's as good as it gets sir.

Thanks. Looking back after it all and measuring my picture of the day 1 bull I still think he would have been about 47-48. If his right went more out like his left he might have made it. Live and you learn i reckon. Luckily my friends dad shared plenty of moose meat once we all got back. :)
 
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Thanks for the write up. I’m planning a 2020 hunt and the 50” part is the one thing that has me really worried.
I agree that I would have passed on that first bull, guessing him in the high ‘40’s.

Are you able or willing to share a pic of your bull? Via Pm is fine if you don’t want it on the web.

What was the range of your rifle shot and the other guy’s?

Where did you learn to call? YouTube, DVDs, other?

Anything besides your moose and shelter that you would have done differently?

I'll shoot you a pm. Shots were honestly 50 and in. The area we hunted was thick. Calling them in to bow range wasn't too hard. As far as calling the transporter gave us some tips on cadence. Kind of like a little kid playing with an toy airplane. The sound goes up and down. Youtube helped. I would offer stay in your spot and call for longer then you think. Just sit tight and if a bull is nearby he is going to come and not all the time they make noise. You will look up and see one staring at you.

A few more tarps honestly. I think we had 3-4 for the group. I wasn't hunting an area that they really had the chance to go down in water so I didn't even have to worry about pulling one to shore or anything. If your going with a group I would definitely put your heads together on who is bringing what so you can save some space and weight. Definitely bring a small grill grate to cook on. Makes life much easier to cook fresh moose meat or a small coffee percolator. Last thing was I would have spent more time hunting around camp instead of going up the "mountains" each day.
 

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Thanks. Looking back after it all and measuring my picture of the day 1 bull I still think he would have been about 47-48. If his right went more out like his left he might have made it. Live and you learn i reckon. Luckily my friends dad shared plenty of moose meat once we all got back. :)

I agree with your estimate...mid to high 40's, but who the heck knows for sure until you put the tape to it. I'm admittedly ultra conservative, which is why I've not yet taken a ram...I'm sure that I've likely passed on a full curl or two, but I just wasn't positive.

Moose meat is the best! Had moose breakfast sausage this morning.

Again, I appreciate your good character and how you handled yourself.
 
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Good story and honest accounting of what happens. My empathy for the misjudgment of your bull. Hindsight is usually even better than 20/20, but it's still worth it to examine what went wrong and teach others how to avoid that. Count me in Vern's (and many others) camp when I say 'pass up any and all debatable bulls'...at least until you have total confidence in their legality.

One little tidbit to anyone reading: Don't pull the trigger based on the advice of others, unless you know about their judgment skills and trust them beyond all shadow of doubt. The man holding the gun is the same man holding the bag if that bull is sub-legal. I can only advise to 1) get good at judging bulls and 2) only shoot the no-brainers or the ones which have the required number of brow points as seen and positively identified by you.

Got nothing but admiration for guys who self-report on a sub-legal take. Hard to do, but right thing to do.
 
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Mr. Dill, agreed on all fronts. Hopefully guys planning on going in the future will read this and practice judging as much as we analyze our gear lists on here!
 

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RedRidge, I enjoyed your story and photos. I am also sorry the hunt ended for you as it did.

The distance between the eyes, as shown in your photo, is a pretty handy bit of information to have, and I am glad you shared it. When I was preparing for a moose hunt in Maine several years ago, I had set a goal of getting a bull that was at least 50” wide. I called in a bull opening morning that looked good, but I wasn’t sure he was wide enough. Before the hunt, a guy from Maine told me what he thought was the average distance between the eyes - I think it was 9” on the smaller Canada moose. So, I changed the power on my scope until I could fit the eyes between a couple of points on my reticle and “measured” the rack. I came up with 52” using that method. He was actually 52 3/4”. Of course, I had a bull that gave me lots of time to judge and I didn’t have to worry about a citation if I had been wrong.
 
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RedRidge, I enjoyed your story and photos. I am also sorry the hunt ended for you as it did.

The distance between the eyes, as shown in your photo, is a pretty handy bit of information to have, and I am glad you shared it. When I was preparing for a moose hunt in Maine several years ago, I had set a goal of getting a bull that was at least 50” wide. I called in a bull opening morning that looked good, but I wasn’t sure he was wide enough. Before the hunt, a guy from Maine told me what he thought was the average distance between the eyes - I think it was 9” on the smaller Canada moose. So, I changed the power on my scope until I could fit the eyes between a couple of points on my reticle and “measured” the rack. I came up with 52” using that method. He was actually 52 3/4”. Of course, I had a bull that gave me lots of time to judge and I didn’t have to worry about a citation if I had been wrong.

Yeah thats what we were using to judge and figured it would be nice to see for folks trying to figure this thing out.
 

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Thanks for the story and sorry about your bad luck. Good of you to post it for the rest of us to learn from.

I was worried about the 50" minimum and my lack of experience judging bulls too. I did all the research, watched videos, read books, but it still doesn't replace in field experience. I ended up going to an area without the 50" requirement to avoid worrying about it. My bull ended up being 52" and I'd have stressed a bunch about him if I was in a unit with the 50" regs. I saw him and immediately thought he was good enough for me, mid hunt and only the second bull we'd seen. He ended up being the biggest bull we saw. He never looked straight toward me to get a good idea of width, I saw good tines and paddles from the side and set up for the shot.
 

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Glad you enjoyed the hunt and chose to share with us. Bad deal about your moose, you made a good decision on the first moose, he wasn’t 50” looked way to cupped, bases angled up from the skull and didn’t have much up front (this kinda depends on the area you are hunting). But judging from your buddy’s dads bull the genetics are there for nice brow tines so a spear and 2 would not get a nod from me.
 

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You made a bad call, but you did it right. You took responsibility for it. I have found, and hear of others who have found sub legal bulls left to rot when someone shoots and runs. Terrible waste. That 48-52 is pretty hard to judge, even with lots of time looking at moose. I like brow tines....

That bull in the first pic....I'd put him at betwee 43" and 46". Seen a lot like that guy, and have even shot a few when the brow tines were right.
 
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