Mule deer optics

Swaro 15s completely changed hunting for me. Only my second year but year 1 I used spotter first half then got 15x vultures, while the vultures helped me glass longer and see more deer, Swaros have me finding deer like a seasoned vet.
 
Swaro 15s completely changed hunting for me. Only my second year but year 1 I used spotter first half then got 15x vultures, while the vultures helped me glass longer and see more deer, Swaros have me finding deer like a seasoned vet.

How were the vultures? I’ve been checking them out. I see they are made in China.


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8x is for hunting timber. When I think of mulie hunting that’s not what comes to mind. Unless you know that you’ll be in some cover carrying 8 power binos is useless.

If you are just locating deer 10-12 powers are adequate. If you are looking for anything in particular... even just a certain number of points like a 4 point buck I’d take a spotter. Regardless of what you decide I’d highly recommend a tripod. That goes for even 10x binos. Any hunt where glassing is the method of locating will be much better with one. It’s amazing how much more detail you can see when using one and eye fatigue isn’t as bad either.

For a hunt where I’m not shooting the first buck or bull I see I’m taking 10x binos and a 20-60x80 spotter. IMO those are the tools for the job.
 
Stick with the 8x or 10x binos and get the best glass for a spotter you can. Going to upgrade my 65mm to an 80mm because I always seem to need that extra zoom to really get a good look.
 
Mule deer are one species where I pack all the optics. For me that's 10x42 Leica Geovid HD-B binos in the chest harness, 15x56 Swaro HD binos and the Kowa TSN 554 spotter. My buddy I hunt with has 8x42's and a Swaro STS80 spotter. Both of us have tripods.

I primarily use my 15's and he uses his spotter when we glass together. When we are separate my Kowa lets me zoom in to evaluate a buck if I can't see enough through my 15's. I rarely use the spotter while hunting, but use it just enough I keep carrying it. I use it much more scouting.

I'm always hunting muleys out of state in a place I have only scouted for 3-5 days. I'm realistic, if I see a mature looking buck with mass and a good frame I'm probably going to take him. I don't need to be able to see as much detail as some people looking for a certain score.
 
This is simply not true. Not even close.
To each his own. Anytime there is a gear related question a person’s answer is based on two things. The area they hunt and their own hunting methods. Even when I hunted places with ample cover the mulies spent quite a bit of time in the open. So that was the most user friendly place to locate them. Also a way to look them over without getting busted and blowing them out. In those areas 10 power binos is never too much. On an early high country hunt like some in Colorado or say Wyoming anything worth shooting is above timberline. Yes there are some decent bucks lower but it’s not the area to place your bets. Those 200 inchers that Non Typical Outfitters consistently puts on the ground are glassed up from the highest peaks and the ridges that connect them. A guy could use 12 or 15x glass up there. Nobody in their right mind would be up there without a quality spotting scope and a tripod let alone relying in 8x binoculars. I have no experience in an area like Colorado’s eastern plains so I can’t comment on the right tool for the job in a place like that. But in my experience big mule deer bucks keep their hides intact using very similar methods as pronghorn antelope. Hiding in the wide open where they can see their predators and usually before the enemy spots them. They commonly disappear before hunters even know they were there.

I’m an open minded hunter and I truly believe that we are always learning so I’d be interested to hear why a mule deer hunter would think that 10 power is too much or why 8s would give them more of an advantage.
 
After reading mcseal’s post I will add that I’m not after average bucks. I need to know exactly what I’m looking at to know if I want to move in for a shot. But even with that said if I was merely looking for a half decent 4x4 I’d still want 10s minimum to locate bucks.

mcseal2 what does your buddy use the 8s for?
 
With that said, I'd love to have a pair of 10x, 15x, plus Swaro spotter on a hunt!

This is exactly what I do. Very versatile and it works extremely well. Although there are instances and situations where all 3 don't make it in the backpack.
 
Indian Summer,

I’d agree with you that for the vast majority of mule deer hunting 10x or 12x would be preferable to 8X, assuming you have a tripod. But to say that 8X is useless is not at all true. I know guys that shoot big bucks every year in the same country Nontypical Outfitters hunts and they use 8X and a spotter. I don’t feel even a little handicapped with 8X glass as long as I have a spotter with.

That all said, some 15x SLCs are on my wish list specifically for mulies. Paired with 8X binos and a spotter and I feel like I’d have everything covered.
 
I have the points so I’ll be on top somewhere in region G next year. I’ll have my trusty 10x42 ELs along with the Swaro 20-60x80 spotter. Also another priceless tool.... two friends that will be there just to spread out and glass more country. Pretty excited about that hunt!
 
Good luck. I’m jealous. That was a bucket list hunt of mine but I bailed with 5 points last year. I didn’t want to deal with the point creep.
 
10x binos on the chest and always have the spotter and tripod in the pack. The spotter cuts out a lot of unnecessary hiking to just get a better look with the binos.

Upgraded my spotter this year to the Kowa 554. Amazing glass, but will have to see how the fov works out.
 
After reading mcseal’s post I will add that I’m not after average bucks. I need to know exactly what I’m looking at to know if I want to move in for a shot. But even with that said if I was merely looking for a half decent 4x4 I’d still want 10s minimum to locate bucks.

mcseal2 what does your buddy use the 8s for?

He has them in his chest harness and uses them like anyone would their chest binos. He is running Zen Ray Primes now until he can save up for the Leicas like mine. They aren't his ideal endgame glass, but are a lot better than not having binos.

Thinking of him brought up something else I should mention. My eyes are still really good at 40. The eye doctor has never shown me a line of numbers or letters I can't read. I have been able to see details in my old ED50 spotter or 15x binos that others have not with higher magnification and often better glass. I am not saying this to brag, I'm just lucky in the vision department. I'm just giving a frame of reference to my advice on glass.
 
I've said it multiple times, but if any of the big 3 would come out with a tripod compatible 12x50 with an angle compensated rangefinder I'd be very interested. If the glass was good I'd sell my Leica Geovids and Swaro 15's and just go to one bino for everything. My buddy is hoping this happens before he is ready to buy.
 
I've been there trying to make out a deer and whats on its head if anything. Both close and far. Good optics are essential for deer hunting. I've tried all different kinds and sizes. I figured out that its well worth the money to buy quality (expensive) optics (I have more money in junk optics than in my swaro combo). My combo is swaro 12x50 and swaro 20-60x80 and tripod. The spotter out performs the bino hands down at any distance. I've used the 15s next to spotter and spotter wins every time at any distance. Once your eye gets in shape for looking through spotter then eye fatigue goes away.

With that said, every person has different eyes, ideas and different budgets. Get what you think you would like to have and go kill em.
 
I think the newer Maven lower magnification spotter is an awesome option for back country hunting. You can still look at an animal at extreme distances to see if it is one you want to go after without the weight and size of a full size spotter.
 
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