Monolithic reloading

[bazzturd]

I’ve shot quite a few copper bullets in 6.5 creedmoor. You need to balance velocity with intended range.

110 hammer hunter Varget 3100fps
124 hammer hunter Varget 2900fps
140 Hornady ECX superformance 2600fps

As far as reloading. I would scrub the bore clean. Load about 0.050” off the lands and just see what it likes. I’ve killed the most whitetail deer and coyotes with the 110hh and it is deadly.

What kind of distance do you feel good with using the 110 and 124? Do you feel the 110 is compromised a good bit more in the wind than the 124?

 

[112Savage]

The 124’s in my rifle had abysmal BC which when compared to the 110’s they were about the same. I ended up killing a mule deer at 240-ish yds with the 124HH but I’ve gotten quicker kills and overall better performance from the 110’s. If I were looking now I would look at the tipped hammers specifically the 112,118,or 125. In a creedmoor I would look at the first two

 

[bazzturd]

The 124’s in my rifle had abysmal BC which when compared to the 110’s they were about the same. I ended up killing a mule deer at 240-ish yds with the 124HH but I’ve gotten quicker kills and overall better performance from the 110’s. If I were looking now I would look at the tipped hammers specifically the 112,118,or 125. In a creedmoor I would look at the first two

I was just checking their site and they recommend a 1:9 and my proof is 1:8. Edit: disregard. It says "or faster" My ADD took over and I only got 3 words into reading

 

[Ruggedsportsman]

Also do yourself a favor and look up hammer bullet failures. They aren't all rainbows and unicorns like people make them out to be. I used to be team hammer bullets or die. After shooting about a dozen animals I started to lose faith in them. The bullet either exploded and left catastrophic meat damage or just pencilled through. Mostly the former. When I talked to the people who worked at hammer about my findings all I got was I need more velocity "got to push them fast!" or "I kill more of animals a year than most people will kill in their lifetime and I've never had that issue". Left a bad taste in my mouth getting customer service like that. I had a 110 yard shot with a 300prc and the 199 grain hammer going 3150fps. Thats north of 4k energy and the bullet pencilled in and out. Luckily the pig was in the open and I watched it die as there was no blood trail. The boar I shot last friday that I posted here with a 22 hornet and 45gn TSX died just as fast and had a better wound channel and blood trail. I ended up selling all my hammer bullets at a loss and went back to my tried and true LRX and E-tips.

 

[CJ_BG]

80gr ttsx in a factory ruger american action/barrel (new stock) over h4350 was a pretty consistent .7-.8 moa 3 shot gun, but that was before I did overlays or larger groups consistently.

 

[bazzturd]

Also do yourself a favor and look up hammer bullet failures. They aren't all rainbows and unicorns like people make them out to be. I used to be team hammer bullets or die. After shooting about a dozen animals I started to lose faith in them. The bullet either exploded and left catastrophic meat damage or just pencilled through. Mostly the former. When I talked to the people who worked at hammer about my findings all I got was I need more velocity "got to push them fast!" or "I kill more of animals a year than most people will kill in their lifetime and I've never had that issue". Left a bad taste in my mouth getting customer service like that. I had a 110 yard shot with a 300prc and the 199 grain hammer going 3150fps. Thats north of 4k energy and the bullet pencilled in and out. Luckily the pig was in the open and I watched it die as there was no blood trail. The boar I shot last friday that I posted here with a 22 hornet and 45gn TSX died just as fast and had a better wound channel and blood trail. I ended up selling all my hammer bullets at a loss and went back to my tried and true LRX and E-tips.

Thanks. That's great info. I don't know why but I'm hung up on trying to make these CX work but I just don't here anyone really talking about them

 

[bazzturd]

80gr ttsx in a factory ruger american action/barrel (new stock) over h4350 was a pretty consistent .7-.8 moa 3 shot gun, but that was before I did overlays or larger groups consistently.

What cartridge?

 

[Koda_]

Here are 1,2,300yd targets with my Hammer HHT 25-06ai. Note: this is from a bench at a rifle range not out in the wild.

 

[willfrye027]

Thanks. That's great info. I don't know why but I'm hung up on trying to make these CX work but I just don't here anyone really talking about them

Honestly you might get the CX to shoot better reloading by swapping around different powders, but there’s a good chance you won’t. For me a barrel likes certain bullets or it doesn’t. Sometimes you can tighten it up with a different powder, sometimes you can’t.. either way it takes some effort which may not pan out.

Unless you are sitting on a pile of CX I would start elsewhere.

 

[noKnees]

I have used a TTSX's and LRXs in a few cartridges. From a terminal performance perspective I think they like velocity and are a good choice if you like to shoot shoulders/bone and often give DRTs when you do that and don't blow the whole shoulder apart.

As far as loading my only advise is some times seating depth is pretty critical. I have had loads that were ~1.5-2 MOA at one depth and 0.5 MOA (4 shot groups) at another distance of the lands. They often like a bit of jump like .080 to .120 off. So if you start close to the lands and don't get the accuracy you are looking for don't write them off until you do a series for seating depth.

 

[A382DWDZQ]

.308” 168gr TTSX has been great in several rifles/calibers, and the .277” 130gr TSX has done well in two older 270 Win rifles. 175 LRX has been great in 300wsm.

 

[112Savage]

If a copper bullet won’t shoot. First thing I do is back the CBTO off the lands at least 0.050” and clean the bore with boretech. If it won’t shoot then, I either change powders or try a different bullet.

 

[Caseknife]

Don't be afraid to try the 100TTSX in the CM. My Ruger American shoots them very accurate with RL17 at 3200+

 

[tall]

Anybody shooting the copper rose?

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[CJ_BG]

What cartridge?

243 with the 9 twist.

 

[Ruggedsportsman]

Anybody shooting the copper rose?

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If they weren’t so expensive I would shoot them. A lot of the Cali guys I know support local and run them. Seen nothing but good things from their results.

 

[bazzturd]

Anybody shooting the copper rose?

Shop — McGuire Ballistics

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I didn't know anything about them until your comment. I'm definitely interested in supporting local and small business. I'm not ringing steel with these so a few extra bucks doesn't bother me. Maybe I will add these to my load work up and try to post a thorough post with load data, results etc......

 

[TaperPin]

I'm wondering what is some of the best accuracy you guys are getting out of monolithic projectiles?

Many people find monos either shoot ok or don’t. Guns seem extra sensitive to how they stabilize down the barrel for a number of reasons, but perhaps more hair has been pulled out trying to force monos to shoot in a gun that doesn’t like them than any other type of bullet. The rings on a mono help give material displaced by the rifling someplace to go and has helped them shoot in more rifles. The diameters of monos have been on the small side in the past, probably to give clearance for the displaced metal prior to the rings. Measure your bullets and I wouldn’t expect undersized ones to be reliably accurate.

I’m not anti mono at all, but my accuracy results have been so mixed in both rough factory barrels or smooth hand lapped custom ones, that my enthusiasm goes up and down about once a decade. I’m about due to try the latest crop of monos in some new barrels I’ve acquired this past year. It’s like having kids, rifles like what they like and someone has to be prepared if their choice doesn’t match what you think they should do.

I like Keith’s explanation of his simple load development for a 308 and Barnes bullets. Keep in mind his barrel was sourced and chambered along the same lines of his competition rifles which are closer to 1/4 MOA shooters, so while it looks like good accuracy, it’s probably twice what that gun would produce otherwise.