Lumber prices and tariffs

[maufic]

That’s good news about Mexico.

Hopefully you’re right about an agreement between Canada & the US, but I won’t hold my breathe. Were being run into the ground by a lame duck, substitute circus clown with an authoritarian bent. He’s enjoying ‘unifying’ Canada against DJT and trying to use it as an opportunity to salvage the Liberal party’s popularity.

Trudeau had 7 years to deal with these issues. Instead he blew them off when trump raised it in 2018 and Biden in 2023 and now we're in this mess.

 

[cuerro viejo]

Billionaires like protectionist tariffs so they can make extra large profits selling at higher than normal prices and less than normal levels of competition.

Tax money from tariffs also takes some of the heat off of ultra wealthy tax rates at the expense of the working class.

When the ultra rich are convincing the middle class it’s a good idea, it’s because it makes them more money, not more money in our pockets. We’re the red line - the big corporations and ultra wealthy have been allowed to profit off our work by avoiding anti trust laws and taxes.

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I’m not the red line. You maybe the redline because of choices you took to avoid financial risks. Again it’s pretty simple, if you signed an Agreement to help booster your GDP from outside investors, then you might want to work with the large economies that gifted your population base with jobs when the ask for more far trade and immigration enforcement. These tariffs will affect Americans very little compared to the other two parties. China is a perfect example, how many U.S. companies moved textile manufacturing out of China into other Asian countries to avoid further tariffs issues? A lot.

NAFTA was the billionaire investors of U.S. investing in Mexico and Canadian labor

I’m sure American workers would love to see 1 million more vehicles produced in U.S. vs US companies producing those 1 million in Mexico using Mexican labor, Texas lumber companies are excited about increased production, American Beef producers are excited that Canadian imported beef gets hit( only Canada would have origin labeling and then cry to WTO, when America’s wants foreign beef labeled in U.S. ).

Again when it comes to Tariffs, cost isn’t absorb if you don’t need the products or there is an alternate supplier that has been depressed due to cheap cost imports.

 

[Szwampdonkey]

all the treated comes from the us. google says that 25% of our wood comes from Canada. problem is you cant just make up that 25% by cutting more trees.. well you can for the short term but it takes a generation to grow out the pines in the southeast. most of the hardwoods that need to be logged are just used for veneer wood, and trim

So go without that 25%

 

[Huntindog45]

woohoo... the price of guacamole was just saved in the nick of time for the super bowl

 

[TaperPin]

I’m not the red line. You maybe the redline because of choices you took to avoid financial risks. Again it’s pretty simple, if you signed an Agreement to help booster your GDP from outside investors, then you might want to work with the large economies that gifted your population base with jobs when the ask for more far trade and immigration enforcement. These tariffs will affect Americans very little compared to the other two parties. China is a perfect example, how many U.S. companies moved textile manufacturing out of China into other Asian countries to avoid further tariffs issues? A lot.

NAFTA was the billionaire investors of U.S. investing in Mexico and Canadian labor

I’m sure American workers would love to see 1 million more vehicles produced in U.S. vs US companies producing those 1 million in Mexico using Mexican labor, Texas lumber companies are excited about increased production, American Beef producers are excited that Canadian imported beef gets hit( only Canada would have origin labeling and then cry to WTO, when America’s wants foreign beef labeled in U.S. ).

Again when it comes to Tariffs, cost isn’t absorb if you don’t need the products or there is an alternate supplier that has been depressed due to cheap cost imports.

There’s a lot of optimism backing the support for tariffs - past tariffs showed the real impact of things as simple as washer tariffs - all it did was drive up prices of washers and dryers. Steel tariffs increased prices and lost more jobs than it created. Very simplistic to say domestic producers will match prices with our much higher wages, or that the item simply doesn’t need to be purchased.

 

[maufic]

I’m not the red line. You maybe the redline because of choices you took to avoid financial risks. Again it’s pretty simple, if you signed an Agreement to help booster your GDP from outside investors, then you might want to work with the large economies that gifted your population base with jobs when the ask for more far trade and immigration enforcement. These tariffs will affect Americans very little compared to the other two parties. China is a perfect example, how many U.S. companies moved textile manufacturing out of China into other Asian countries to avoid further tariffs issues? A lot.

NAFTA was the billionaire investors of U.S. investing in Mexico and Canadian labor

I’m sure American workers would love to see 1 million more vehicles produced in U.S. vs US companies producing those 1 million in Mexico using Mexican labor, Texas lumber companies are excited about increased production, American Beef producers are excited that Canadian imported beef gets hit( only Canada would have origin labeling and then cry to WTO, when America’s wants foreign beef labeled in U.S. ).

Again when it comes to Tariffs, cost isn’t absorb if you don’t need the products or there is an alternate supplier that has been depressed due to cheap cost imports.

These type of tariffs will hurt everyone in the long run, including the american consumer. There seems to be an implication that the US buys from other countries to help subsidise those countries. Americans buy foreign goods from other countries because they buy them for less than if they were made in the US. Things are made cheap in China because Chinese workers get paid a fraction of what american workers are paid and working conditions in countries like China are deplorable. Even in Canada, the average salary for a Canadian worker is less than our American counter parts. You add in a strong American dollar, Americans are getting a steal on Canadian made goods and raw materials.

There also seems to be this implication, by Trump, that by having a trade deficit with Canada that somehow the US is subsidizing the Canadian economy. America has a substantially larger and much wealthier population than Canada. The wealthy always buy more from the less wealthy. I'm not sure how you can expect anything else. Also, I don't go to the supermarket and buy eggs, and then complain that I had to subsidise the supermarket.

 

[cuerro viejo]

There’s a lot of optimism backing the support for tariffs - past tariffs showed the real impact of things as simple as washer tariffs - all it did was drive up prices of washers and dryers. Steel tariffs increased prices and lost more jobs than it created. Very simplistic to say domestic producers will match prices with our much higher wages, or that the item simply doesn’t need to be purchased.

Mexico agreed to go back to helping to stop the Central and South American flow of illegal immigrates, image that, an economy built via U.S. dollars is responding to its asks.

These type of tariffs will hurt everyone in the long run, including the american consumer. There seems to be an implication that the US buys from other countries to help subsidise those countries. Americans buy foreign goods from other countries because they buy them for less than if they were made in the US. Things are made cheap in China because Chinese workers get paid a fraction of what american workers are paid and working conditions in countries like China are deplorable. Even in Canada, the average salary for a Canadian worker is less than our American counter parts. You add in a strong American dollar, Americans are getting a steal on Canadian made goods and raw materials.

There also seems to be this implication, by Trump, that by having a trade deficit with Canada that somehow the US is subsidizing the Canadian economy. America has a substantially larger and much wealthier population than Canada. The wealthy always buy more from the less wealthy. I'm not sure how you can expect anything else. Also, I don't go to the supermarket and buy eggs, and then complain that I had to subsidise the supermarket.

It will hurt Canadain GDP much more than US. As US is much quicker at diversifying. It’s unreal how Americans aren’t allowed to enter Canada with a recent DUI, but yet Canadian political elites mock our immigration efforts.

Perfect example of Canadian reciprocity, they want to import Beef in to Us, but when we want the same Origin labeling they have….that’s unacceptable.

 

[TaperPin]

Mexico agreed to go back to helping to stop the Central and South American flow of illegal immigrates, image that, an economy built via U.S. dollars is responding to its asks.


It will hurt Canadain GDP much more than US. As US is much quicker at diversifying. It’s unreal how Americans aren’t allowed to enter Canada with a recent DUI, but yet Canadian political elites mock our immigration efforts.

Perfect example of Canadian reciprocity, they want to import Beef in to Us, but when we want the same Origin labeling they have….that’s unacceptable.

You’re pissed because your dui has consequences?

 

[maufic]

Mexico agreed to go back to helping to stop the Central and South American flow of illegal immigrates, image that, an economy built via U.S. dollars is responding to its asks.


It will hurt Canadain GDP much more than US. As US is much quicker at diversifying. It’s unreal how Americans aren’t allowed to enter Canada with a recent DUI, but yet Canadian political elites mock our immigration efforts.

Perfect example of Canadian reciprocity, they want to import Beef in to Us, but when we want the same Origin labeling they have….that’s unacceptable.

Americans with DUI's have a hard time getting into Canada, but Canadians with a record of marijuana possession have had the same issue's trying to get into the US. So that is kind of the pot calling the kettle black. Not that this has anything to do with the tariff issue.

I agree, in the short term it will hurt Canada more. In the long term, if we elect a smarter government, we can find other markets for our goods. Canada will always prefer to export to the US because it has always been a trusted ally and a number of other reasons. One example is our energy sector. We normally sell our oil to US refineries, they refine the oil and sell it back to Canada, and the rest of the world at a profit. If Canada builds its own refineries and adequate infrastructure, we can sell it to the rest of the world and keep the profits. China has already implied they are willing to cooperate with the Canadian government in building refineries and will buy the refined oil from Canada.

Is it ideal to create these type of trade deals with a country like China. Of course not, but if we can't export to the US we will have to export elsewhere.

 

[Szwampdonkey]

You’re pissed because your dui has consequences?

Mexico caved and agreed to Trumps terms so he is pausing Tarrifs in Mexico.

My bet, Canada is next to cave.

You hate Trump but despite that you’re going to have to get used to the US winning real quick cause that’s all he does

Why would you hate a man so much you would be unhappy to see him be successful when that means the US is successful???

 

[Idaboy]

I would conjecture that Canada needs us more than we need them. Despite the tariffs most of that can be processed here

What country doesnt need us?

 

[cuerro viejo]

You’re pissed because your dui has consequences?

I don’t drink and never had a DUI/DWI but find it hilarious that Canada wants background checks on Non citizens but US is supposed to have open boarder

 

[SCHUNTER73]

Depends on where you are located. I’m in the southeast and about the only wood we get from Canada are some studs. That may vary depending more local micro economies. Some panel prices are down, some are up. Again, that depends on where you are.

 

[TaperPin]

Mexico caved and agreed to Trumps terms so he is pausing Tarrifs in Mexico.

My bet, Canada is next to cave.

You hate Trump but despite that you’re going to have to get used to the US winning real quick cause that’s all he does

Why would you hate a man so much you would be unhappy to see him be successful when that means the US is successful???

If he would get behind breaking up monopolies and increasing tax rates for the ultra wealthy I’d be all for it. Mexican military camping out at the border will stop fentanyl smuggling? Do you really believe that? That’s all for show.

I’ll be his biggest fan when it’s warranted.

 

[cuerro viejo]

Americans with DUI's have a hard time getting into Canada, but Canadians with a record of marijuana possession have had the same issue's trying to get into the US. So that is kind of the pot calling the kettle black. Not that this has anything to do with the tariff issue.

I agree, in the short term it will hurt Canada more. In the long term, if we elect a smarter government, we can find other markets for our goods. Canada will always prefer to export to the US because it has always been a trusted ally and a number of other reasons. One example is our energy sector. We normally sell our oil to US refineries, they refine the oil and sell it back to Canada, and the rest of the world at a profit. If Canada builds its own refineries and adequate infrastructure, we can sell it to the rest of the world and keep the profits. China has already implied they are willing to cooperate with the Canadian government in building refineries and will buy the refined oil from Canada.

Is it ideal to create these type of trade deals with a country like China. Of course not, but if we can't export to the US we will have to export elsewhere.

You missed the point, Canada should limit DUI’s but at same time don’t question or mock our immigration policies, unless you are willing to open your borders freely ,

I would rather US buy solar panels or anything from Canada over any country, but it has to be equally beneficial. I have lots of Canadian friends and do business in Alberta,

 

[cuerro viejo]

If he would get behind breaking up monopolies and increasing tax rates for the ultra wealthy I’d be all for it. Mexican military camping out at the border will stop fentanyl smuggling? Do you really believe that? That’s all for show.

I’ll be his biggest fan when it’s warranted.

Nothing in Mexico is by chance but Cartel del Noreste just took a big hit from Mexican Government this morning.

 

[TaperPin]

Nothing in Mexico is by chance but Cartel del Noreste just took a big hit from Mexican Government this morning.

I haven’t been keeping up with the different cartels and how they are networked with governments at different levels. Can you explain who that cartel supports and how the government hitting them is going to alter the dynamics?

The arrest of a single 27 year old “El Ricky” makes headlines? Doesn’t sound like a sweep of the city.

 

[cuerro viejo]

I haven’t been keeping up with the different cartels and how they are networked with governments at different levels. Can you explain who that cartel supports and how the government hitting them is going to alter the dynamics?

The arrest of a single 27 year old “El Ricky” makes headlines? Doesn’t sound like a sweep of the city.

When you in implement tariffs to push for help securing the border and one of the larger cartels heads is taken out by the tariffed country…. I’d say they listened to our demands of slowing down illegal immigration( which cartels run) and drugs (which cartels run)….

Now is it just to eliminate competition amongst cartels who knows, but cartels control is part of the demands of the U.S.

 

[maufic]

You missed the point, Canada should limit DUI’s but at same time don’t question or mock our immigration policies, unless you are willing to open your borders freely ,

I would rather US buy solar panels or anything from Canada over any country, but it has to be equally beneficial. I have lots of Canadian friends and do business in Alberta,

If I misunderstood. I apologize.

I think a lot of Canadians would agree that Canada needs re-evaluate its immigration policies. It is far to easy to get into Canada. I also understand Trumps frustration with the Trudeau government. Like I mentioned earlier, Trudeau should have dealt with this back in 2018. Over the last six months border security and immigration is an issue that many Canadian are realizing is a problem. The real problem is this government is too slow to act and cares more about optics than solving problems. Even the 1.3 billion over 6 years they have committed to border security is a joke.

That being said tariffs are probably not the right tool. The conversation quickly devolves to one where the US is getting screwed by Canada, and that isn't true. Trade deals should always be up for renegotiation to make sure they are mutually beneficial, but I believe most of the trade between the US and Canada would already fall into this category.

The whole 51st state thing is annoying as well.

 

[cuerro viejo]

If I misunderstood. I apologize.

I think a lot of Canadians would agree that Canada needs re-evaluate its immigration policies. It is far to easy to get into Canada. I also understand Trumps frustration with the Trudeau government. Like I mentioned earlier, Trudeau should have dealt with this back in 2018. Over the last six months border security and immigration is an issue that many Canadian are realizing is a problem. The real problem is this government is too slow to act and cares more about optics than solving problems. Even the 1.3 billion over 6 years they have committed to border security is a joke.

That being said tariffs are probably not the right tool. The conversation quickly devolves to one where the US is getting screwed by Canada, and that isn't true. Trade deals should always be up for renegotiation to make sure they are mutually beneficial, but I believe most of the trade between the US and Canada would already fall into this category.

The whole 51st state thing is annoying as well.

Canadians have a unique identity that needs to stay their own, although it would be nice to be able to hunt with suppressors and have reciprocity of a CHL or even pistols in general in Canada.