Love Thy Neighbor

It was published in May, I don't see anywhere it states the time frame data covers and it frequently references 2021, but skimming doesn't appear to reference a more recent year.
If you find anything with more recent data, I'd be interested to see it. I couldn't find anything super recent with data annotations.
 
Wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it.
Right is right, even if nobody is doing it.

Just because people want to live somewhere, or less people are going to church has zero indication of that's the correct thing.

Most people don't want to be challenged, especially morally and held to a standard.
Thats why new religious trinity is so popular, me, myself, and I.
 
If you find anything with more recent data, I'd be interested to see it. I couldn't find anything super recent with data annotations.

Here is some more recent, though imperfect, data. It shows a mixed picture. The first two have nice maps, but methodological flaws. The third covers a lot that isn't relevant to this conversation, but as it touches on the 2024 Census Data it is using the most authoritative data set.



 
That National Association of Realtor data suggests otherwise
Here is some more recent, though imperfect, data. It shows a mixed picture. The first two have nice maps, but methodological flaws. The third covers a lot that isn't relevant to this conversation, but as it touches on the 2024 Census Data it is using the most authoritative data set.



Yeah that's interesting. It looks like if you factor in international growth then Florida and California are at the top.

Domestically, everything I'm seeing shows California, Illinois, Louisiana, New York, they're all at a negative for sure.

I'd leave Louisiana too. Freaking humidity is stifling.
 

Yeah that's interesting. It looks like if you factor in international growth then Florida and California are at the top.

Domestically, everything I'm seeing shows California, Illinois, Louisiana, New York, they're all at a negative for sure.

I'd leave Louisiana too. Freaking humidity is stifling.

With these types of statistics, you have to be mindful of how large the populations of states such as CA and FL are and the fact that there are always people coming and going for reasons other than location preferences. I wasn't even aware that this trend had started to reverse until recently and that was only in a peripheral manner as I overheard something on the Dave Ramsey show recently referencing it and then only looked in it briefly to confirm.

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If you lived in the District of Columbia, North Dakota, Alaska, Idaho, or Vermont in 2023, chances are relatively high you or your neighbor had moved there from another state within the prior year.

But if you lived in California, a much larger state that attracted many more movers from other states over the same period, the likelihood of being in proximity with a recent in-mover, or someone who arrived in that state from another state within the prior year, was slimmer.

How can that be?

Part of it has to do with the size of a state’s population. Two states can have the exact same number of movers from other states but their presence in a smaller state will be proportionately higher than in a more populous state.

The share of recent movers to a state is calculated by taking the number of in-movers in the past year and dividing it by the population 1 year and over.

Although more populous states tend to draw more people numerically from other states, the chances a given resident moved there within the prior year can still be relatively low.

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2025/04/state-newcomers.html
 
Name just one successful and secular society? Most of the Scandinavian countries, most of western Europe, nearly the entirety of Japan, most of Australia and New Zealand, etc.
I specifically state long term success. A quick google search will show you that Japan is a very religious society. Europe as we know is in the middle of an absolute collapse. Australia and New Zealand are right behind them and lets not forget the fact that these were countries that thought it was acceptable to throw people into concentration camps during covid. This isn't the winning argument you think it is.

Not only that, but these countries rank higher in almost every societal metric. I am guessing you haven't travelled to these places... I have. The people are largely happy, healthy, they take care of one another with far less crime than we have here in the USA. There are churches here, but very few.

Even in the US the more secular states rank higher in almost every societal metric.

Save me with tired societal metric talking point nonsense. It's almost entirely a function of people self reporting their happiness level. Happiness is a horrible metric and a worse life goal. You can show a direct inverse correlation between your societal metric and birth rates. If things are so great then why are they going extinct?
I suspect you're still going off of crime rates prior to these countries catastrophic immigration policies drastically changing these statistics.

There are churches here, but very few. The people in these countries tend to have higher levels of education, which is a threat to organized religion as it makes it very difficult to control an educated, independent person.
I have a BS in Mechanical Engineering. As I've learned more about science and the universe, I've questioned my faith every step of the way. Every time I've seriously question my faith, I've walked away with a stronger faith than ever. This is a common story for those educated in the STEMs. All educations are not equal. The educated people you're referring to aren't educated at all, brain washed would be the best way to describe it.

It is also hard to push antiquated, bronze-age techings that the earth is flat and only 6,000 years old, that man walked with dinosaurs, that God condones the ownership of slaves, that women are second-class citizens who can be beat, etc, to a population of educated people who can think critically.
Who are you arguing with here? Have we had some conversation in your head that I'm not aware of? If you want to know what I believe, you can just ask and I'll tell you.

The fact is, those who have been indoctrinated and radicalized by religion are not accepting of an "open market" of ideas as you proclaim.
The fact is, those who have been indoctrinated and radicalized by atheism or the critical theory depts of the universities are not accepting of an "open market" of ideas. Fixed it for you.

The fact you mention that you are white and want to "defend" that is telling by itself of what your true motives really area.
Truthfully, I'm indifferent to the color of mine or any ones skin. What I'm no longer indifferent to is that white people have been demonized in this country by our most powerful institutions for nearly 20 years. I was fairly indifferent to it until I had kids. I will no longer accept people and ideologies that would demonize my sons and allow them to be violently target for the color of their skin. No parent should tolerate that.

I think it is incredibly sad how the teachings of Jesus have been distorted to weaponize a white nationalistic ideology while dehumanizing anyone who doesn't think the same, believe the same, walk and talk the same. By dehumanizing them, it is easier to strip them of their freedoms, constitutional protections, their families, their liberty and even their lives. All of this is anti-Christian.
Again, no one here has made that argument. Who exactly are you arguing with?
However, here's the argument. All ideas, believes, and cultures are not the same and thus not equal. I'm tired of pretending as though they are. No culture other than the Christian Western culture from the enlightenment could have built the strong, free, and technologically advanced world that we built. At best some can loosely copy what we've done from afar. Stating the obvious does not mean that the lives of the people within these other cultures are less valuable. There is nothing inherently dehumanizing in accurately comparing different cultures. I sincerely hope all people of this Earth find Jesus Christ. That doesn't mean I have to bring them here to replace mine and our culture.

There was a growing number of MAGA who hated Charlie Kirk, like the fringe lunatic Larua Loomer, and the shooter was clearly one of the same. I think certain people I won't mention really wanted the shooter to be someone the "righteous right" could collectively hate and rally against. Someone with silly pronouns with blue hair, a pentagram tattoo and a nose ring. Someone they could dehumanize to fit the "they did this" narrative to make it easier to divide the country in a manufactured "us vs them" war that the left and the right media is propagating.
So here it is. We've gone from absurd to deranged. Are you seriously going to try to make the argument that the shooter was MAGA??? Please find me one "MAGA" member who calls their enemies fascists. None of us use that term. The guy was clearly Antifa and you can right this down. We're going to find out there were other antifa members that helped him plan this and provided logistics.

The country is divided, I agree that it was manufactured, but we're a decade past that. We're in the middle of a full on insurgency of people with violent intent. I have no interest in sharing a country with anyone who thinks its acceptable to harm us because of our traditional beliefs or would celebrate our harm. These people aren't human, they're communist filth.

Human dignity.
You either see every single person as equal to you, or you think you're better than others.
And that's how we got racism, genocide, slavery, and religious persecution.
Equality is great in theory. It's great that we strive for that within the law. However, let's be crystal clear on reality. Equality does not exist in nature.

He attended one semester at Utah State University. 60%+ Mormon student body (not suggesting Mormon religion had anything to do with recent events, only pointing out that this is a rather “conservative” school by many standards). Then he went to a VoTech school.

Your intent here seems clear, but you might want to wait until we have more information before making assumptions and drawing conclusions.
This guy wasn't radicalized within the university. Based on what little we know this was happening online long before he left for college, likely during covid when he was locked in the house with nothing else to do, but go down some demonic rabbit holes.
However, its an almost certainty that he was radicalized by people who were radicalized in the universities or ideas coming straight out of the universities. It doesn't have to be directly connected to trace back to decades of demonic nonsense coming out of our universities. That's all assuming that he wasn't MKUltra'd.

Is it due to the desire to live in a red state or just a more rural area in general? Is it the blue state they are leaving or the population density? Leaving higher cost of living areas for cheaper housing? Lots of factors to consider I guess.
There's still plenty of rural areas in the blue states. Why didn't they just move there?
 
Equality is great in theory. It's great that we strive for that within the law. However, let's be crystal clear on reality. Equality does not exist in nature.

I agree, it doesn't exist on nature, but we are not animals. Are ability to reason, empathize, think logically, to continue and develop technological advancements shows us we're not animals, and we shouldn't act like an animal either.

I can disagree with someone, but hurting others because we disagree, or devaluing someone because we don't agree is at best animal behavior, we're better than that, at least we should be.
 
I agree, it doesn't exist in nature, but we are not animals. Our ability to reason, empathize, think logically, to continue and develop technological advancements shows us we're not animals, and we shouldn't act like an animal either.

I can disagree with someone, but hurting others because we disagree, or devaluing someone because we don't agree is at best animal behavior, we're better than that, at least we should be.
First, I corrected your typos in the quote to try and accurately respond to what you're trying to say. If I got it wrong I apologize.

Second, attacking someone over an ideological disagreement is a uniquely human trait. I don't know of any species of animal other than the human who is capable of that level of reasoning. I'd be very interested in any example that you may have.

Finally, there is a night and day difference in hurting someone and devaluing someone. I'd like to separate the two so not to confuse the two.
I agree that no one should be physically harming someone over an ideological disagreement. Are you making a point or are you arguing with something I missed?
There are many believes that I will absolutely devalue someone over. If you believe in castrating minors, I devalue you. If you believe that you can harm me or my family because we have different world views, I devalue you. If you believe that you're entitled to harm my sons because of the sins of their Father, Grandfathers, etc., I devalue you entirely.
 
There’s nothing “MAGA” about this kid. The latest revelation further points to him to not be from “The Right” or “MAGA”.

At this point, we probably aren't going to know a whole lot more about the true motive until the trial or an actual confession is released to the press. His grandmother has expressed how the whole family is "MAGA" in an interview. The engravings on the casings appear to be credited to various online gaming community lingo, game controller moves and a humoristic reference from the Netflix show "Money Heist."
There has been some suggestion of a link to the "Groyper" movement, a decentralized group of nationalists who organize online around obscure and extremist meme culture, though an interview with the electrician he was apprenticing under would suggest that his current views would potentially be at odds with that. Any mix of all of the above over a plane of time is possible as people's views often evolve.

We don't even know for a fact that he was the shooter. While it seems likely, but when you look at the footage of him (or someone who looks much like him) flee the scene, they almost certainly do not run across the building, jump to the ground, and run across the grassy area with a rifle on their person. You can review the footage zoomed in and slowed down and it they just do not appear to be carrying a rifle nor have one stuffed in in their jeans as some have claimed (I have tried stuffing a rifle down my own jeans just to see if that was even possible). Which begs the question of how the rifle ended up in the trees. We haven't yet been informed if there was another rifle left on the rooftop.

All kinds of questions and lots of speculation. And no one wants the shooter to be from "their team" so lots of mental gymnastics + influence and misinformation from Russian and Chinese bots going on out there in the world. I've seen everything from it was a Ukrainian hit to it was a Israeli hit to a Qanon hit over the Epstein files and also a Trump ordered hit, also over the Epstein files. All kinds of rumors, misinformation and infuse all of that with political pressures as well.
 
The engravings on the casings appear to be credited to various online gaming community lingo, game controller moves and a humoristic reference from the Netflix show "Money Heist."
The engravings were explicitly antifascists. These would be an indicator of what his motivations were.

There has been some suggestion of a link to the "Groyper" movement, a decentralized group of nationalists who organize online around obscure and extremist meme culture, though an interview with the electrician he was apprenticing under would suggest that his current views would potentially be at odds with that. Any mix of all of the above over a plane of time is possible as people's views often evolve.
From the same people who suggested that Charlie was killed by celebratory gunfire from his supporters.
I'm not one of them by any means, but this is liable at best.

We don't even know for a fact that he was the shooter. While it seems likely, but when you look at the footage of him (or someone who looks much like him) flee the scene, they almost certainly do not run across the building, jump to the ground, and run across the grassy area with a rifle on their person. You can review the footage zoomed in and slowed down and it they just do not appear to be carrying a rifle nor have one stuffed in in their jeans as some have claimed (I have tried stuffing a rifle down my own jeans just to see if that was even possible). Which begs the question of how the rifle ended up in the trees. We haven't yet been informed if there was another rifle left on the rooftop.
That's fair. It would never fit in a pair of pants I own now, but I could have fit one into the pants I wore in high school. Does anyone else remember the ridiculous baggy pants?

All kinds of questions and lots of speculation. And no one wants the shooter to be from "their team" so lots of mental gymnastics + influence and misinformation from Russian and Chinese bots going on out there in the world. I've seen everything from it was a Ukrainian hit to it was a Israeli hit to a Qanon hit over the Epstein files and also a Trump ordered hit, also over the Epstein files. All kinds of rumors, misinformation and infuse all of that with political pressures as well.

Not no one. There are more than a few people on the left who have been celebrating him. Some are treating him like a hero, much like some have treated the guy that assassinated the health insurance CEO.
 
The engravings were explicitly antifascists. These would be an indicator of what his motivations were.

That's you projecting your assumptions. And I'm not saying they don't seem cut and dry, but.... From what I've been reading, so for these engravings have been interrupted by law enforcement, at least what they have released, as:

On one of the bullets were the words: “Hey fascist! CATCH! (up arrow symbol, right arrow symbol, and three down arrow symbols),” Cox said.

Those words, though, are likely a reference to a sequence of moves on a controller that unleashes a powerful bomb and accompanying phrase in a third-person shooter video game called Helldivers 2. The Helldivers subreddit has since been temporarily locked in the aftermath of the shooting.

Another message, inscribed on a separate bullet, “Notices bulges OwO what’s this?” is often used as an insult in online role-playing communities. Another read: “If you read This, you are GAY Lmao”—humor that is also common to online male-dominated communities.

Another featured the words to the Italian antifascist anthem “Bella Ciao”. But the song has since been used in the popular Netflix show “Money Heist,” and in the first-person shooter game Far Cry 6.
The antifascist connotations of Bella Ciao led some to believe Robinson may have been a leftist, but members of Robinson’s family have said the entire family is MAGA supporters, and the link to the gaming community suggests it may not be that simple -that those words are frequently used with a different set of connotation.


That's fair. It would never fit in a pair of pants I own now, but I could have fit one into the pants I wore in high school. Does anyone else remember the ridiculous baggy pants?

True and he was wearing slightly baggy jeans, though hardly JNCOs of the mid 90s. The question is, even with slightly baggy jeans, could you still bend your knee with a scoped long gun down your pants. Watch the videos and he is clearly bending both knees. He does limp at one point, presumably from jumping down off the building, but both knees appear to ben naturally nonetheless. There are some interesting video analysis from former snipers, Green Berets etc that go into this fairly in depth and none of them seem to think the runner is transporting a rifle unless he broke it down, which seems implausible unto itself and then factor in that the discovered rifle was assembled.

Let's face it: The current version of the FBI sucks. They were releasing information on this that local law enforcement on the ground was outright denying in real time. The FBI leadership are far from the sharpest sticks in the woods. I'm not sure there is a MAGAn around (though, I have no doubt there are some out there in the world) who is going to rush to the defense of the likes of Kash Patel or Dan Bongino as being qualified or competent when it comes to administrating federal investigations. Especially after this debacle. One is even left to wonder, given the above questions about transporting the rifle, if that evidence wasn't planted to present to the public the idea that the authorities were "hot on the trail." At the same time, there apparently exists messages on Discord by Robinson that referenced retrieving a rifle from a drop point, leaving it in a bush, and watching the area where the weapon had been hidden. Other texts described the rifle as unique, mentioned a scope, and referred to bullets being engraved. One message also stated the rifle had been left wrapped in a towel, while another noted Robinson had changed outfits.

But, what does that even mean exactly? He hid the rifle in the bushes ahead of time and "watched the area"? For what? How far ahead of time? Is that the rifle he used, or no? Did he hide the rifle, then retrieve it, use it and then put it back? If so, why? So many questions that no one should be eager to draw hard conclusions.

Not no one. There are more than a few people on the left who have been celebrating him. Some are treating him like a hero, much like some have treated the guy that assassinated the health insurance CEO.

I haven't seen that, per say, though I have seen ideas expressed along the lines of "that's the end result of raising kids in a MAGA household"
 
Let's face it: The current version of the FBI sucks.


I haven't seen that, per say, though I have seen ideas expressed along the lines of "that's the end result of raising kids in a MAGA household"
Are you really going to act like the last version of the FBI was better? There is actual proof that the Russia collusion was a total hoax that they pursued for purely political reasons.

There has been a lot of celebration of his death. Just look around a little. It's not hard to find. There has been news anchors fired, NFL team communication directors, former Olympic BMX riders... I've even seen local Veterinarian praising it, a teachers licensed revoked. It's everywhere.
 
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