Longest Kill 6.5 Creedmoor

[Formidilosus]

There is a system that is called the -Taylor Knock Out Values.

And it uses the estimated energy for one shot kills on game.

It uses a recommended energy and a minimum energy for each animal.

On Elk it recommends 2000 ft/lbs and 1500ft/lbs as a minimum. this is at the Point of Impact.

Deer are 1200 ft/lbs and 1000 ft/lbs minimum.

These values are conservative but are a good place to start.

So how many elk have you killed at 2,000ft/lbs and at 1,500ft/lbs (why both numbers?) and how many below that to draw those conclusions?

 

[Formidilosus]

A commonly accepted threshold for the minimum amount of kinetic energy needed to kill an elk is 1500 ft-lbs. Most bullets won't expand under 1800 fps........you could call it rocket science haha....so this 1120 yard kill claim dropped in its tracks claim is BS

How many elk have you killed above and below 1,500ft-lbs to draw that conclusion?

 

[MTMeatHunter]

I’m new here too but I came to read about longest creedmoor kills, not misconceptions about energy killing stuff. Just like YouTube, I’m here for the kill shots!

 

[S-3 ranch]

How many elk have you killed above and below 1,500ft-lbs to draw that conclusion?

Being from Texas, nilgai are my main reportorial species, they are elk size and some consider tougher, I usually use a 180gr 300wm and that is considreed a standard, though I think a 150gr @ 3000fps @200yards or less is ok , my elk experience is more limited then nilgai and aoudad sheep , but used same 300win on the hunts , same for my trips to the Yukon and Alaska
for caribou and moose.

P.S
i scorn these YouTube yahoo’s producers making long range hunting content , because they have the editing rooms to cover up the many mistakes prone to extreme distance hunting.

i have never seen a over killed animal, but have seen a fair share of under killed or poorly shot medium and large game with smaller caliber

here is a quote when I looked @ accubond response
“”I think the first thing to look at is the bullet and see where its velocity performance numbers are. Accubond recommends impact velocity’s no less than 1800 fps. Having that then I look to see where the 1500 ft lbs (recommend low for elk size game) energy number is in relation to the velocity. I then find the yardage where the two numbers are acceptable and use that number as a max range. I’m working on a load for a new 300 Win Mag and without any real testing FFS is showing the max yardage at 820 for the 200gr Accubond velocity @ 1859 and energy @ 1495 and momentum @52.43. If that was a proven load then 820 yards would be my maximum range for elk.””

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Your posts offer nothing in the line of statistics, facts or any data. You simply criticize or disagree with others who you don’t agree with. You can do better

You need search, read, and learn. Not hand holding uninformed newbies anymore.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

There is a system that is called the -Taylor Knock Out Values.

And it uses the estimated energy for one shot kills on game.

It uses a recommended energy and a minimum energy for each animal.

On Elk it recommends 2000 ft/lbs and 1500ft/lbs as a minimum. this is at the Point of Impact.

Deer are 1200 ft/lbs and 1000 ft/lbs minimum.

These values are conservative but are a good place to start.

it easy to read and explained in terms even you might understand

You need to search, read, and learn. No more handholding uninformed, sarcastic people on an Internet forum for me.

 

[Wrench]

The Taylor formula is really neat and all, but not nearly as useful as experience and is pretty easy to pick apart.

Take a pair of similar bc bullets, one frangible cup/core type....one mono. All things being equal, the mono will perform well until it doesn't. The CC will start out satisfactory and once it slows down will surpass the effectiveness of the mono by several hundred fps.

If you want to get intel on bullet performance ask about impact velo results, not cartridge results.

 

[Formidilosus]

Being from Texas, nilgai are my main reportorial species, they are elk size and some consider tougher, I usually use a 180gr 300wm and that is considreed a standard, though I think a 150gr @ 3000fps @200yards or less is ok , my elk experience is more limited then nilgai and aoudad sheep , but used same 300win on the hunts , same for my trips to the Yukon and Alaska
for caribou and moose.

So you do not have any experience with bullets and elk under 1,500 ft-lbs energy?

If not, what legitimate comparative studies have you seen between impacts on elk at 1,501 ft-lbs and impacts on elk at 1,499 ft-lbs? Or 1,000 ft-lbs? Or 500 ft-lbs?

 

[long hunter]

Not me but my hunting partner killed his mule deer last Oct. at 475 yards using a Ruger with a 24 in. barrel, hand loaded143gr. Hornady SST bullet DRT