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[wind gypsy]

Thanks thats pretty similar to what ryan did too from what i read. I have watched some of his pack dump videos and found it pretty thorough but never really followed his actual hunting.

Yeah, not really that similar unless there are more details out. Ryan got charged with claiming his wolf was killed in a different unit to claim a larger "bounty" for it. And killed a Mule deer where he didn't have a tag for one and I believe in a closed season. And falsifying where a mountain lion was killed?

 

[Steve O]

Well I’m glad you guys are back on track. Muley Freak came across my YouTube feed the other day…I wish I had paid more attention but I think he was Aoudad hunting with someone that should never get a dollar from me as well. Maybe I will have to search for it but I really don’t want to.

 

[KurtR]

IMHO, The last 5 years wouldn't be an accurate representation because most of the apps and technology has been out since then. YouTube came out in 2005, so it would be more relevant to compare application numbers and harvest statistics from around then to the last 5 years, as that's when the influx occurred. I also think harvest statistics would have to be compared from individual units or areas, because the states do a pretty good job at keeping total numbers in check, but individual units will get a rise in popularity as they get discovered. I'll see if I can find an example when I have more time.

Harvest stats are only a piece of the argument, this is what I meant by the rise in popularity negatively impacting opportunity. Way more applicants, point creep, etc.

Harvest numbers have stayed the same. Application numbers have gone up but say with Idaho you have to figure that the huge increase of residents who then invite there friends is part of it. This place was my number one go to for information. My brother moved there in 19 I first went in 16 and last year I went was 20. He just in the short time has met a bunch of people who moved there and they all have family that now comes out and hunthe’s . My grandpa had hunted out there in the 70’s those pictures are what made me want to go. Now the juice isn’t worth the squeeze I would rather just stay home and hunt out my back door. So with all that sm isn’t making the hunting harder I can agree it’s making getting tags harder.

 

[RockAndSage]

There are no holes poked in my argument, it's a fact. There has been a massive influx in hunters applying for multiple states and willing to invest more money in the resources and hunts because they have better odds of success with an informational advantage. Watching YouTube videos alone, now you have guys headed out that know how to play the wind, call, setup an ambush with a caller, dial a scope to shoot longer ranges, be at a glassing spot before light, etc., tactics they may not have known or considered before that will give them an advantage. More educated hunters = higher harvest rates. Higher harvest rates = less animals on the landscape. Less animals on the landscape = Management strategies like lower tag numbers and/or quotas.

It may not be happening in your local area, and I wouldn't argue that it's "ruining" hunting, but it is a negative impact on hunting opportunities in the west.

I agree with almost all of this, though I'm also certain that any decline in herd size is related to habitat loss, winter kill, and 4-legged predator population increases, before human hunters as a factor.

My biggest problem with the "industry", is that it's making it a lot harder for me to draw tags. Not only are more non-resident hunters applying everywhere, people are literally moving to western states specifically to hunt here.

It's a free country, and people have a right to be both influencers and to move to a more free place for better hunting opportunity - but that's impacting everyone else's ability to hunt too. It is just not like whitetail country out here - opportunity is severely impacted by even slight increases in hunter numbers.

 

[Harvey_NW]

Harvest numbers have stayed the same. Application numbers have gone up but say with Idaho you have to figure that the huge increase of residents who then invite there friends is part of it. This place was my number one go to for information. My brother moved there in 19 I first went in 16 and last year I went was 20. He just in the short time has met a bunch of people who moved there and they all have family that now comes out and hunthe’s . My grandpa had hunted out there in the 70’s those pictures are what made me want to go. Now the juice isn’t worth the squeeze I would rather just stay home and hunt out my back door. So with all that sm isn’t making the hunting harder I can agree it’s making getting tags harder.

Harvest numbers have stayed the same the last 5 years because they implemented management strategy. I just showed an example of an almost 20 year difference and near 100% increase in pressure and harvest rates. Many of the movement to the West is from influence, not being able to get a NR tag so screw it, I'll just move there. Part of hunting is having a tag, can't go if you don't have one. So yes, social media/influence has made hunting opportunities as a whole, a hell of a lot harder.

 

[Tom-D]

Yeah, not really that similar unless there are more details out. Ryan got charged with claiming his wolf was killed in a different unit to claim a larger "bounty" for it. And killed a Mule deer where he didn't have a tag for one and I believe in a closed season. And falsifying where a mountain lion was killed?

Yeah sorry i thought i read he bought the tag after but must not have. Mainly just that it was wolf related then. Im not in the US so not across the regulations and i didnt look too deep into it

 

[wapitibob]

I agree with almost all of this, though I'm also certain that any decline in herd size is related to habitat loss, winter kill, and 4-legged predator population increases, before human hunters as a factor.

My biggest problem with the "industry", is that it's making it a lot harder for me to draw tags. Not only are more non-resident hunters applying everywhere, people are literally moving to western states specifically to hunt here.

It's a free country, and people have a right to be both influencers and to move to a more free place for better hunting opportunity - but that's impacting everyone else's ability to hunt too. It is just not like whitetail country out here - opportunity is severely impacted by even slight increases in hunter numbers.

Things change; I can't buy a new car for $6,000 anymore, can't buy a house for 25k, can't get a ski lift ticket for $8.50 either. More people on the road, more in every restaurant, and more fishing at the lake; adapt or complain on a forum, everybody has the same choice.
Every forum out there has posts complaining about more people, doesn't matter if it's hunting, fishing, skiing, or bird watching. Corporations aren't going to stop marketing product and in todays world, that's done on the 'net. Influencers aren't going anywhere.

 

[KurtR]

Harvest numbers have stayed the same the last 5 years because they implemented management strategy. I just showed an example of an almost 20 year difference and near 100% increase in pressure and harvest rates. Many of the movement to the West is from influence, not being able to get a NR tag so screw it, I'll just move there. Part of hunting is having a tag, can't go if you don't have one. So yes, social media/influence has made hunting opportunities as a whole, a hell of a lot harder.

No that’s what the residents say when nr complain I can’t get tags. “ Why don’t you move here if you don’t like it” has been said on this forum thousands of times. If so many more animals are being killed why are the tag numbers in Idaho not being dropped. You can’t cherry pick one unit to fit the narrative. Out of the 400000 new residents in Idaho how many moved there because of influencers. Look how big this forum you are participating in is. Search elk hunting and Rokslide is number one on the world wide web

 

[wapitibob]

No that’s what the residents say when nr complain I can’t get tags. “ Why don’t you move here if you don’t like it” has been said on this forum thousands of times. If so many more animals are being killed why are the tag numbers in Idaho not being dropped. You can’t cherry pick one unit to fit the narrative. Out of the 400000 new residents in Idaho how many moved there because of influencers. Look how big this forum you are participating in is. Search elk hunting and Rokslide is number one on the world wide web

If 10 moved there due to "influencers" it'd be a miracle; people move because of jobs and more recently, politics.

 

[ThorM465]

No that’s what the residents say when nr complain I can’t get tags. “ Why don’t you move here if you don’t like it” has been said on this forum thousands of times. If so many more animals are being killed why are the tag numbers in Idaho not being dropped. You can’t cherry pick one unit to fit the narrative. Out of the 400000 new residents in Idaho how many moved there because of influencers. Look how big this forum you are participating in is. Search elk hunting and Rokslide is number one on the world wide web

That's your custom algorithm google created for you. Download a browser you've never used and search it. It'll be a crap shoot whether rokslide comes up when you google elk hunting. It didn't show up in the top 50 when I tested it.

 

[Harvey_NW]

No that’s what the residents say when nr complain I can’t get tags. “ Why don’t you move here if you don’t like it” has been said on this forum thousands of times. If so many more animals are being killed why are the tag numbers in Idaho not being dropped. You can’t cherry pick one unit to fit the narrative. Out of the 400000 new residents in Idaho how many moved there because of influencers. Look how big this forum you are participating in is. Search elk hunting and Rokslide is number one on the world wide web

Idaho did drop tag numbers.. In the last 10 or so years it went from statewide deer tags that you could purchase 2 OTC, to unit specific with quotas, and elk zones got quota capped as well. That's a statewide systematic reduction in hunt pressure by tag allotment. I "cherry picked" that one unit because it's a statistical representation of what I actually saw. We went from having it to ourselves as non residents, to seeing more and more other non residents every year, to not even being able to get tags. Most of them wearing popular brands that sponsor or are YouTube influencer channels. Take it how you want, but it's happening.

 

[KurtR]

That's your custom algorithm google created for you. Download a browser you've never used and search it. It'll be a crap shoot whether rokslide comes up when you google elk hunting. It didn't show up in the top 50 when I tested it.

Just had my kid do it on his phone. Doesn’t even know what Rokslide is. Popped up right on top

 

[KurtR]

Idaho did drop tag numbers.. In the last 10 or so years it went from statewide deer tags that you could purchase 2 OTC, to unit specific with quotas, and elk zones got quota capped as well. That's a statewide systematic reduction in hunt pressure by tag allotment. I "cherry picked" that one unit because it's a statistical representation of what I actually saw. We went from having it to ourselves as non residents, to seeing more and more other non residents every year, to not even being able to get tags. Most of them wearing popular brands that sponsor or are YouTube influencer channels. Take it how you want, but it's happening.

The total tags still given is the same. Unless the economy crashes it will never change

 

[Harvey_NW]

The total tags still given is the same. Unless the economy crashes it will never change

That dispersed the tags statewide instead of everyone hunting 5 popular units, but that probably has no impact on herd health . Again, for like the 3rd or 4th time, that changed within the last 10 years.

 

[KurtR]

That dispersed the tags statewide instead of everyone hunting 5 popular units, but that probably has no impact on herd health . Again, for like the 3rd or 4th time, that changed within the last 10 years.

Is math hard? The total tag numbers stayed the same. Getting people spread out vs beating up the same 5 units is a net gain for over all herd health. Seems you more upset that you dont get to be greedy and have multiple tags every year.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

Is math hard? The total tag numbers stayed the same. Getting people spread out vs beating up the same 5 units is a net gain for over all herd health. Seems you more upset that you dont get to be greedy and have multiple tags every year.

I believe it had more to do with hunter over crowding and satisfaction. It was a plea by resident hunters. Killing bucks doesn’t affect herd health.

 

[KurtR]

I believe it had more to do with hunter over crowding and satisfaction. It was a plea by resident hunters. Killing bucks doesn’t affect herd health.

But the over all tag numbers are still the same right?

 

[Hnthrdr]

If 10 moved there due to "influencers" it'd be a miracle; people move because of jobs and more recently, politics.

I can confidently say there are thousand and thousands who have flocked to Co because of internet influencers. State pop has doubled from 3-6 million in my lifetime, huge portions of people rolling in for the “outdoor lifestyle” I’m sure Utah, ID, Wyo and Mt are all having some of that. Heck how many threads do we have started on this forum every year about I live (some place that isn’t the mountain west) I want to uproot my dang family for (mountain west) for hunting… 5-6.
Seriously come hangout at any trailhead I grew up going to and being 1 of 2/3 trucks at as a kid/teen, to any given weekday get ready to walk .5 mile to get to the trail head, it is actually nuts. And it’s like that for hunting, fishing, mt biking, hiking, camping, trail running. We will love it to death here eventually :/

 

[Customweld]

I can confidently say there are thousand and thousands who have flocked to Co because of internet influencers. State pop has doubled from 3-6 million in my lifetime, huge portions of people rolling in for the “outdoor lifestyle” I’m sure Utah, ID, Wyo and Mt are all having some of that. Heck how many threads do we have started on this forum every year about I live (some place that isn’t the mountain west) I want to uproot my dang family for (mountain west) for hunting… 5-6.
Seriously come hangout at any trailhead I grew up going to and being 1 of 2/3 trucks at as a kid/teen, to any given weekday get ready to walk .5 mile to get to the trail head, it is actually nuts. And it’s like that for hunting, fishing, mt biking, hiking, camping, trail running. We will love it to death here eventually :/

One only has to watch FB reels for a few minutes to be inundated with Real Estate influencers pimping Idaho and why it's such a outdoors lover's paradise. I'm sure the other mountain states are seeing the same thing.

 

[wapitibob]

I can confidently say there are thousand and thousands who have flocked to Co because of internet influencers. State pop has doubled from 3-6 million in my lifetime, huge portions of people rolling in for the “outdoor lifestyle” I’m sure Utah, ID, Wyo and Mt are all having some of that. Heck how many threads do we have started on this forum every year about I live (some place that isn’t the mountain west) I want to uproot my dang family for (mountain west) for hunting… 5-6.
Seriously come hangout at any trailhead I grew up going to and being 1 of 2/3 trucks at as a kid/teen, to any given weekday get ready to walk .5 mile to get to the trail head, it is actually nuts. And it’s like that for hunting, fishing, mt biking, hiking, camping, trail running. We will love it to death here eventually :/

The context was moving to ID for hunting.
Yes, I would assume plenty move to CO for the "outdoor lifestyle". I live in a tourist town, drive Uber and talk to thousands of people a year, many of whom move here for that lifestyle. Nobody moves here with hunting being the reason. I've seen the population go from 10,000 to 110,000 in my lifetime.