List of Companies Still Sponsoring/Partnering with Convicted Wildlife Violators

[fwafwow]

It down tonight and spend an hour writing a plan to use your skills to make $100m in the next decade.

My skills are not the type that could generate $100mm in the next decade. Or multiple decades. But others have skills or knowledge who have made $100mm in a decade. Or less.

In my industry i work with a lot of self made 100s of millionaires. They all talk about laying people off to afford a vacation, not paying employees if they under bid a contract, every short cut to always make it someone elses fault and someone elses problem. They get their vacations in the tropics no matter what.

Part of my reply was based on math and assumptions. It's unlikely, mathematically, that every person who has made family legacy wealth is a bad person (my phrase to summarize not doing everything on the "up and up"). I don't doubt your personal experience with those folks who choose to take those actions. They are not on the up and up. But that experience is limited.

FWIW, I work with people who have made family legacy wealth. And while I can't prove a negative (that they have not done anything bad), by all appearances they appear to be on the up and up - including how they treat their employees (who I have sometimes met) - during the operation of the company, and when the company is sold (including several examples of owners who have granted equity to those employees, even when the sale was imminent). And I have also worked with similar clients who "do the right thing" including when it comes to contracts with others. And sure, some of those people might have done something else (maybe their names are in the Epstein files), but not all of them.

 

[RockAndSage]

My skills are not the type that could generate $100mm in the next decade. Or multiple decades. But others have skills or knowledge who have made $100mm in a decade. Or less.

Part of my reply was based on math and assumptions. It's unlikely, mathematically, that every person who has made family legacy wealth is a bad person (my phrase to summarize not doing everything on the "up and up"). I don't doubt your personal experience with those folks who choose to take those actions. They are not on the up and up. But that experience is limited.

FWIW, I work with people who have made family legacy wealth. And while I can't prove a negative (that they have not done anything bad), by all appearances they appear to be on the up and up - including how they treat their employees (who I have sometimes met) - during the operation of the company, and when the company is sold (including several examples of owners who have granted equity to those employees, even when the sale was imminent). And I have also worked with similar clients who "do the right thing" including when it comes to contracts with others. And sure, some of those people might have done something else (maybe their names are in the Epstein files), but not all of them.

You're right. He's not. Yet he's also the kind of person who thinks people get wealthy by laying off value-producing people, and playing dirty. He will come up with whatever BS necessary to reinforce his worldview and sense of identity, that people can only get rich at the expense of others. Just more villager, cracker-culture mentality that has to have an enemy to feel normal.

 

[Mike Islander]

Are you suggesting folks should turn a blind eye to the bad actors and let them continue their nonsense for the greater good of the broader group?

I'm suggesting writing a letter to the CEO.

 

[grfox92]

Your a fool if you think people who make family legacy level wealth in one generation do everything on the up and up.

Bad take Friendo. There are plenty of people who have created generational wealth while maintaining sound morals and values.

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[wowzers]

Yes, let's further destroy the hunting industry and decide our group. Write a letter.

The “hunting industry” is destroying hunting. No thanks.

 

[grfox92]

The “hunting industry” is destroying hunting. No thanks.

Is it really though? How so?

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[Harvey_NW]

Is it really though? How so?

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Influencing, spot burning, affecting draw odds, having all the information available in apps, over pressure and over harvest in certain areas, etc. I'm all for hunting but I can't deny the "industry" has definitely affected opportunity in western states.

 

[grfox92]

Influencing, spot burning, affecting draw odds, having all the information available in apps, over pressure and over harvest in certain areas, etc. I'm all for hunting but I can't deny the "industry" has definitely affected opportunity in western states.

Has it affected it? absolutely. Do I like it? absolutely not. Do I hate most influencers? Yes, I do. Do I watch any influencer content? Nope, zero.

Does that mean hunting media is ruining hunting? Nope. Realistically it's probably preserving it and boosting numbers and helping it. Like it or not it is as a net whole helping hunting, regardless of if it sucks for us who have been at it our whole lives, it is helping hunting for the future.

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[Harvey_NW]

Has it affected it? absolutely. Do I like it? absolutely not. Do I hate most influencers? Yes, I do. Do I watch any influencer content? Nope, zero.

Does that mean hunting media is ruining hunting? Nope. Realistically it's probably preserving it and boosting numbers and helping it. Like it or not it is as a net whole helping hunting, regardless of if it sucks for us who have been at it our whole lives, it is helping hunting for the future.

That statement contradicts itself in so many ways I'll just have to agree to disagree, and digress.

 

[Dos Perros]

Hey so I haven't read this thread in a while...but if we haven't already please scratch BlackOvis from the list (lol).

 

[grfox92]

That statement contradicts itself in so many ways I'll just have to agree to disagree, and digress.

Ita supposed to be contradictory. Thats my whole point. While some of the industry sucks and does harm it also does good. In my opinion, the good its doing outweighs the bad. I dont like it. But thats the reality. In my opinion.

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[wowzers]

Is it really though? How so?

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I wouldn’t consider the last fifteen years an improvement on the fifteen prior to them. Would you?

 

[grfox92]

I wouldn’t consider the last fifteen years an improvement on the fifteen prior to them. Would you?

Regarding what? The industry is growing and expanding. There is more interest in everything hunting and firearms related. Massive conglomerates are buying up hunting brands because they are making huge money. Tag applications are up across the board.

If you are talking selfishly about your personal hunting opportunities for drawing tags and opportunities at animals in OTC areas, then it probably isn't as good as it was 15 years ago.

What's good for the longevity of hunting in the future might not be great for those of us living through it right now. The only way for yours and my personal opportunities to get better right now, is for less people to participate in hunting. If you think less participation leads to hunting culture and traditions to continue for another 100 years I dont think you are thinking clearly.

High school kids in NW WY are wearing Hush, Muley Freak, Gritty and MeatEater t shirts and hoodies. Hunting media is helping to keep the interest of a generation otherwise doomed by Ipads and social media. Hunting media is recruiting a whole new generation of hunters who are starting in their 20s and 30s. Thats never happened before.

So I guess the question is, by making the statement that "the industry is destroying hunting" are we talking about for our personal opportunities this next season? Or are we talking about for our children and their children?

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[Q_Sertorius]

Regarding what? The industry is growing and expanding. There is more interest in everything hunting and firearms related. Massive conglomerates are buying up hunting brands because they are making huge money. Tag applications are up across the board.

If you are talking selfishly about your personal hunting opportunities for drawing tags and opportunities at animals in OTC areas, then it probably isn't as good as it was 15 years ago.

What's good for the longevity of hunting in the future might not be great for those of us living through it right now. The only way for yours and my personal opportunities to get better right now, is for less people to participate in hunting. If you think less participation leads to hunting culture and traditions to continue for another 100 years I dont think you are thinking clearly.

High school kids in NW WY are wearing Hush, Muley Freak, Gritty and MeatEater t shirts and hoodies. Hunting media is helping to keep the interest of a generation otherwise doomed by Ipads and social media. Hunting media is recruiting a whole new generation of hunters who are starting in their 20s and 30s. Thats never happened before.

So I guess the question is, by making the statement that "the industry is destroying hunting" are we talking about for our personal opportunities this next season? Or are we talking about for our children and their children?

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Forgive me if I don’t see commercializing tourism hunting as better for it than strong traditions of local hunting.

Is it better to have more hunters in America? Absolutely, yes.

Do I think that hunting becoming more oriented on a tourism and trophy thing than hunting locally, being a family-thing, and putting meat on the table is ultimately worse for hunting? Yes, I do.

Of course, that is subjective. I don’t like trophy hunting (and neither do something like 60% of Virginians if the elk reestablishment polls are accurate)). I think public emphasis on trophy hunting ultimately costs more hunting support than it recruits.

 

[grfox92]

By commercialized tourism hunting, are you referring to people traveling let's say from the east coast to Colorado for a DIY elk hunt? You kind of lost me there.

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[Q_Sertorius]

By commercialized tourism hunting, are you referring to people traveling let's say from the east coast to Colorado for a DIY elk hunt? You kind of lost me there.

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Yes, I am referring to that as tourism hunting. That doesn’t make it per se bad. I just don’t think it is healthy for “hunting culture” to be predominantly marketed as a travel destination experience. My perception is that there is something different about today’s hunting culture than there was in the past.

There was always a good amount of it in the past. Whether it was Africa, Alaska, or “the west”, the old hunting magazines sold that experience. But most hunting was still a local thing.

A guy who hunted whitetails in West Virginia might dream of someday getting an elk or a kudu, but 99% of his hunting was local. And the trip for elk was a “once in a lifetime” experience for most non-doctors, dentists, or other “wealthy people.” Now, I routinely come across folks for whom “hunting” is a trip to Colorado for archery elk, who don’t even bother with something like a Virginia whitetail. If they are going after whitetail, they are going for some cornfed Iowa bruiser.

 

[grfox92]

Yes, I am referring to that as tourism hunting. That doesn’t make it per se bad. I just don’t think it is healthy for “hunting culture” to be predominantly marketed as a travel destination experience. My perception is that there is something different about today’s hunting culture than there was in the past.

There was always a good amount of it in the past. Whether it was Africa, Alaska, or “the west”, the old hunting magazines sold that experience. But most hunting was still a local thing.

A guy who hunted whitetails in West Virginia might dream of someday getting an elk or a kudu, but 99% of his hunting was local. And the trip for elk was a “once in a lifetime” experience for most non-doctors, dentists, or other “wealthy people.” Now, I routinely come across folks for whom “hunting” is a trip to Colorado for archery elk, who don’t even bother with something like a Virginia whitetail. If they are going after whitetail, they are going for some cornfed Iowa bruiser.

Thats interesting. I havent personally experienced that or met anyone who does that. I believe it, just havent seen it first hand.

When I grew up in Suburban NY I was one of maye 3 or 4 kids in my entire class who hunted. The other kids who hunted were simply tagging along with dad or grandpa and not nearly as into it as I was. After graduating high-school I started seeing guys who never hunted a day in their life posting selfies from treestands, and grip and grins, bowhunting whitetails locally. I can think of 5 different people from my graduating class who started hunting out of no where in their 20s, all of their exposure that got them interested came from YouTube and Social Media. In the liberal hell hole I grew up in, thats remarkable. I can only imagine the level of interest the exposure generates in areas where hunting itself is more accepted.

I feel like a lot of guys are seeing hunting in media and equating it to "bad". Just because things aren't the way they used to be doesn't mean they are being ruined, they are just fundamentally different than they used to be.


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[wowzers]

Regarding what? The industry is growing and expanding. There is more interest in everything hunting and firearms related. Massive conglomerates are buying up hunting brands because they are making huge money. Tag applications are up across the board.

If you are talking selfishly about your personal hunting opportunities for drawing tags and opportunities at animals in OTC areas, then it probably isn't as good as it was 15 years ago.

What's good for the longevity of hunting in the future might not be great for those of us living through it right now. The only way for yours and my personal opportunities to get better right now, is for less people to participate in hunting. If you think less participation leads to hunting culture and traditions to continue for another 100 years I dont think you are thinking clearly.

High school kids in NW WY are wearing Hush, Muley Freak, Gritty and MeatEater t shirts and hoodies. Hunting media is helping to keep the interest of a generation otherwise doomed by Ipads and social media. Hunting media is recruiting a whole new generation of hunters who are starting in their 20s and 30s. Thats never happened before.

So I guess the question is, by making the statement that "the industry is destroying hunting" are we talking about for our personal opportunities this next season? Or are we talking about for our children and their children?

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So you and others point out several ways that things are demonstrably worse for hunters but its okay because people are selling t-shirts and hoodies to teenagers. I think you are proving my point. If you think things are going to be better for our children or theirs I think you are sadly mistaken also.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

I wouldn’t consider the last fifteen years an improvement on the fifteen prior to them. Would you?

EXACTLY. Some folks can make an argument that elk hunting is in its hay day, but it’s regional and not OTC or easy to draw for NRs anymore. All other western hunting opportunity and quality is on a downward spiral every year since about 2014.

Regarding what? The industry is growing and expanding. There is more interest in everything hunting and firearms related. Massive conglomerates are buying up hunting brands because they are making huge money. Tag applications are up across the board.

If you are talking selfishly about your personal hunting opportunities for drawing tags and opportunities at animals in OTC areas, then it probably isn't as good as it was 15 years ago.

What's good for the longevity of hunting in the future might not be great for those of us living through it right now. The only way for yours and my personal opportunities to get better right now, is for less people to participate in hunting. If you think less participation leads to hunting culture and traditions to continue for another 100 years I dont think you are thinking clearly.

High school kids in NW WY are wearing Hush, Muley Freak, Gritty and MeatEater t shirts and hoodies. Hunting media is helping to keep the interest of a generation otherwise doomed by Ipads and social media. Hunting media is recruiting a whole new generation of hunters who are starting in their 20s and 30s. Thats never happened before.

So I guess the question is, by making the statement that "the industry is destroying hunting" are we talking about for our personal opportunities this next season? Or are we talking about for our children and their children?

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Hunting media is destroying hunting opportunity for those high school kids. They just done realize it yet… that is unless they have generational wealth and will afford private hunts yearly.