Liberation Day

[NDGuy]

and he is fighting the 40% of the country that is dumb as a brick.

 

[StuckInTheEast]

@birdman22 - “keep this forum on track”? Really?

Seems like this entire thread is against the forum rules.

Whether intended or not, it has gone down the political rabbit hole.

“ As a general rule of thumb, don't bother posting threads in which the subject matter is political and in no way shape or form related to hunting, fishing, public land, public land access, firearms, etc. There are plenty of other social media and forums for you to discuss such matters on, why litter this forum with them?

It’s refreshing to have a place where you aren't being constantly inundate with political rants, issues or crisis. The politics in this country have forced itself into every freaking corner of every day life. At Rokslide we want to talk hunting and take a break from the political echo chambers.”

On that note...
Steel and aluminum prices are gonna rise, if you were thinking about buying that new rifle or shotgun for this fall hunting season.....yesterday would have been a good time to do it.
Good news for Benelli/beretta fans though, I didnt see Italy on the Tarrif list...maybe they will seem more affordable when the prices of the other options go up

 

[long hunter]

Buy American period, if we dont make it we dont need it period.

 

[eltx]

On that note...
Steel and aluminum prices are gonna rise, if you were thinking about buying that new rifle or shotgun for this fall hunting season.....yesterday would have been a good time to do it.
Good news for Benelli/beretta fans though, I didnt see Italy on the Tarrif list...maybe they will seem more affordable when the prices of the other options go up

Check again under “European Union”

 

[Conrad101st]

I'm just glad I'm not looking to retire in the next 5-10 years...Its gonna get ugly before or if it ever gets better for the working class.
All this approach will do for the forseeable future is burden us with higher costs of living while keeping the fat cats up top getting fatter at our expense.

I think there is potential for the current approach to pan out well long term if the populous can stomach it and finacially ride it out for 10 years or better, I'm not sure it'll take 40. However, i have serious doubts the GOP can maintain unity and majority long enough to see this aggressive approach through. A changing of the guard in the midterms, next presidential election, or even the following mid terms is all it will take to bring progress on this agenda to a screeching halt and then we will all have suffered through the burn it down phase with little prospect of building it back better in any sort of timely fashion.

They know this is a long play. Maybe thats got something to do with the mentions of this "third term" nonsense... They know that the right has to maintain control and unity long enough for this approach to bare any fruit. I'm certainly hoping this is all that well thought out anyways.

Its a big gamble with alot of people's finacial security and well being and likely going to put a dent in the nest egg of ALOT of folks that are nearing or at retirement age in the next few years...and those folks still vote so thats going to be a big hurdle to keeping this American Industrial/manufacturing Renaissance idea going.
I have no idea how this will play out long or short term presently, but I'm not currently in the 'Optimistic' camp.
All I know with any degree of certainty about this so called 'Liberation' and tarrifs is many things are gonna get more expensive, wages will stay flat, and most will have even less discretionary income to enjoy life with. The little guy will get squeezed more while the rich get richer...nothing new, the wheel keeps turning until enough spokes break that it collapses.
Hopefully my feelings and understanding of how this will play out are wrong. In the mean time...ill just get up and go to work as usual. We'll pass higher parts prices on to customers and raise rates enough to maintain our bottom line as our personal and staffing expenses increase.
New cars getting more expensive and people keeping what they have longer is likely to keep my current line of work busy until people just can't afford to own and operate vehicles anymore.
I can see this approach potentially benefitting me personally...but I still dont it's a good move overall.
Good news is we can all just sit back and see how it turns out good or bad...cause we sure as hell don't have much of any control presently.

Please place your tray tables and seat backs in the upright position, secure any loose items and be sure your seat belt is buckled as the Captain has informed us we'll be experiencing some strong turbulence for the remainder of this flight

Well stated sir.

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

I'd love to see that HVAC line item in the supply chain go up over 100% in 3 years because gas went up $.50

Gotta remember if that system has parts from overseas, during that time our ports were all screwed and trucking was a mess with diesel over $7 or $8 per gallon. When fuel goes up, shipping goes up, etc..., etc..., etc...

 

[mostlybirch]

Buy American period, if we dont make it we dont need it period.

You can take my Finnish rifle from my cold dead hands.

 

[NDGuy]

Gotta remember if that system has parts from overseas, during that time our ports were all screwed and trucking was a mess with diesel over $7 or $8 per gallon.

Totally. But prices didn’t come back down, nor will they ever again.

So where does the next step lie to bring back buying power to normal people? Are we forever going to have to take on a loan just to fix our house or car?

Let alone thinking of young people that don’t have a home yet. Huge increase to property value and rates. Will be a long time for wages to catch up and become affordable.

 

[CorbLand]

Buy American period, if we dont make it we dont need it period.

Whether people like it or not, there are some things that other countries are just flat better at making than we are. It has been that way for a long long time.

 

[StuckInTheEast]

Check again under “European Union”

Damn it...Good catch on that oversite, I forgot how many get lumped into that pile . Just refreshed my memory there...Pretty much ever Country you might get a decent firearm from outside the US falls into the EU Oh well...Got a few italians in the safe, don't need anymore I suppose....I was trying to find a bright side here. Guess I'll keep searching for it...

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

Totally. But prices didn’t come back down, nor will they ever again.

So where does the next step lie to bring back buying power to normal people? Are we forever going to have to take on a loan just to fix our house or car?

Let alone thinking of young people that don’t have a home yet. Huge increase to property value and rates. Will be a long time for wages to catch up and become affordable.

Welp, the one thing I've been hammering my kids, now 27, 20, and 18, is that they need to go back to the old way of saving and buying. When we Gen Xers were kids, our folks told us over and over not to buy a car without at least 10% down or more. Don't even think about a house unless you have 15-20%. Credit cards for absolute emergencies only!

Saving money like this fell out of vogue over the last 30 years, and I'm as guilty as anybody. However, folks need to re-learn how to save and not spend money unless you can afford it. Historically low interest rates prior to and shortly after 2020 coupled with super long loan terms got a lot of folks to buy stuff without money down and they ended upside down on everything.

After we finally figured out my wife's line factory job at Pella Windows and Doors was only paying for her new 4runner payment and the babysitter, we made the decision for her to quit her job and stay home after 17 years on the line. That was more than 8 years ago and it was the best decision we ever made. Sold the 4runner and my wife took over child care duties, and we focused on family and trying to be smarter about spending. We still had our issues of course, but we wouldn't change a thing. Our kids had one or both of us at every school play, musical, game, etc... They had one or both of us to take them to town to school and one or both of us at home every day after school.

Young people are gonna be screwed for a while, especially if they don't learn to be patient and save their money. Property value and taxes are completely out of control in Iowa, and I'm sure the same everywhere else. My 13 acres' valuation went up another $53,000 this year for no good reason, and has more than doubled in the last 5 years. My property taxes have more than doubled as well after no change for the prior 10+ years. Its gotten untenable for senior citizens on fixed incomes in town that can no longer afford their property taxes and are now looking for help from family and friends to stay in their homes.

 

[mostlybirch]

Welp, the one thing I've been hammering my kids, now 27, 20, and 18, is that they need to go back to the old way of saving and buying. When we Gen Xers were kids, our folks told us over and over not to buy a car without at least 10% down or more. Don't even think about a house unless you have 15-20%. Credit cards for absolute emergencies only!

Saving money like this fell out of vogue over the last 30 years, and I'm as guilty as anybody. However, folks need to re-learn how to save and not spend money unless you can afford it. Historically low interest rates prior to and shortly after 2020 coupled with super long loan terms got a lot of folks to buy stuff without money down and they ended upside down on everything.

After we finally figured out my wife's line factory job at Pella Windows and Doors was only paying for her new 4runner payment and the babysitter, we made the decision for her to quit her job and stay home after 17 years on the line. That was more than 8 years ago and it was the best decision we ever made. Sold the 4runner and my wife took over child care duties, and we focused on family and trying to be smarter about spending. We still had our issues of course, but we wouldn't change a thing. Our kids had one or both of us at every school play, musical, game, etc... They had one or both of us to take them to town to school and one or both of us at home every day after school.

Young people are gonna be screwed for a while, especially if they don't learn to be patient and save their money. Property value and taxes are completely out of control in Iowa, and I'm sure the same everywhere else. My 13 acres' valuation went up another $53,000 this year for no good reason, and has more than doubled in the last 5 years. My property taxes have more than doubled as well after no change for the prior 10+ years. Its gotten untenable for senior citizens on fixed incomes in town that can no longer afford their property taxes and are now looking for help from family and friends to stay in their homes.

I agree totally about spending only what you have, I have never financed a vehicle because I think they are by and large luxuries, but we need to stop blaming the common folks for this macro scale problem that has been building for decades. It's not the starbucks and Uber eats that's killing the middle class, capital has squeezed huge gains in productivity over the last 50 years and wages have not kept up with living expenses.

And I sure as shit don't think bringing low skill low wage iPhone assembly line positions to America is going to help us on this.

 

[TSAMP]

If you're so hard pressed on this, maybe you should come to Iowa and start lobbying against the pork, beef, corn, and soybean growers. They've been polluting our rivers, lakes, streams, and ground water for decades with manure spills, nutrient runnoff, erosion, and chemical/fertilize plant discharge. They've also essentially been given a free pass by both Republicans and Democrats since they're "feeding the world" (albeit as our cancer rates soar). Des Moines Water Works has the most expensive water treatment plant in the world. Why is that? Just to reduce nutrient, bacteria, and chemical levels to "acceptable" levels for Central Iowans to drink it.

I'd expect you to give up pork chops, bacon, hamburger, and anything with corn or soybeans as an ingredient, including ethanol, if you feel so strongly about big corporations being held responsible for polluting our resources.

National Security and freedom depend on sourcing these minerals, and we need to put the people of this nation first in this regard. As you can tell, I don't support polluting the land, but I'm willing to give domestic miners a shot at this before writing it off as an inevitable natural disaster.

Curious where you got the data point on DSM waterworks? Happen to know a few dudes working there.

 

[CorbLand]

Welp, the one thing I've been hammering my kids, now 27, 20, and 18, is that they need to go back to the old way of saving and buying. When we Gen Xers were kids, our folks told us over and over not to buy a car without at least 10% down or more. Don't even think about a house unless you have 15-20%. Credit cards for absolute emergencies only!

Saving money like this fell out of vogue over the last 30 years, and I'm as guilty as anybody. However, folks need to re-learn how to save and not spend money unless you can afford it. Historically low interest rates prior to and shortly after 2020 coupled with super long loan terms got a lot of folks to buy stuff without money down and they ended upside down on everything.

It’s not always the best advice is the bad thing. I did all of that and watched everything I saved get eaten away.

Saved 15% for a house just to watch them double in price in three years.
Saved money for a newer vehicle while my old one APPRECIATED nearly 50%.
If I would have saved to go to college, I would have paid nearly double. Hell my tuition was 50% more my last semester than my first.

Yes, some people just spend recklessly. That’s nothing new. But a lot of people don’t save for things because in the last 45 years, outside of a few small times periods, everything has continued to raise in price.

My mom bought a house in 2004 for 145000. Put about 25000 into it and it sold in 2012, in the recession, for 310000 and then sold again for nearly 600000 a few years ago. You can’t save 15-20% at a fast enough rate to outpace the price increases.

You cannot save yourself to prosperity in todays world/economy.

 

[mostlybirch]

I haven't seen this posted. I would guess the part about "including currency manipulation and trade barriers" is doing some heavy lifting.

Good to see Botswana taken down a notch, we've been a victim for too long.

Heres that "heavy lifting", what the admin claims are tarrifs + trade barriers charged against the US is just made up by taking the trade deficit for the country divided by the their exports to the US. This is so sloppy.

 

[TaperPin]

It’s hard to do smart things when you struggle with who pick a fight with.

 

[ozyclint]

It’s not always the best advice is the bad thing. I did all of that and watched everything I saved get eaten away.

Saved 15% for a house just to watch them double in price in three years.
Saved money for a newer vehicle while my old one APPRECIATED nearly 50%.
If I would have saved to go to college, I would have paid nearly double. Hell my tuition was 50% more my last semester than my first.

Yes, some people just spend recklessly. That’s nothing new. But a lot of people don’t save for things because in the last 45 years, outside of a few small times periods, everything has continued to raise in price.

My mom bought a house in 2004 for 145000. Put about 25000 into it and it sold in 2012, in the recession, for 310000 and then sold again for nearly 600000 a few years ago. You can’t save 15-20% at a fast enough rate to outpace the price increases.

You cannot save yourself to prosperity in todays world/economy.

This x2.

What's been stolen from the younger generations is hope and now they're expected to stand up and put the country that shat on them ahead of themselves in a long game of rebuilding the nation?

 

[Wingnutty]

I have no issue with reciprocal tariffs, if that's what they are.

That isn’t what they are.

 

[chanson_roland]

Liberation Day

Dow Jones looks to have been "liberated" of 1200 points overnight.

 

[chanson_roland]

That isn’t what they are.

Still looking for those tariffs on Russia, for example...