Leupold Broke...I was Warned

[Marbles]

You have no clue what I think about my gear actually. It's obvious you like hearing yourself ramble. I don't need to prove anything to you or anyone else......just myself. I already told some jackwagon here if you want to see if my scopes hold zero, just send me a check and I'll send it to you for you to test if it means that much to you. I had no takers, and I'm sure you won't either.

This is funny. I do know what you think about your gear, because you tell us quite frequently. I also said different expectations were fine.

You have made the claim, it is on you to prove the validity. I offered you the cost you wanted a while back, so long as you guaranteed it would perform as you claim, you decline on the grounds that I would boldfaced lie to prove a point. So once again, you want to be trusted while having no skin in the game. You did specifically state it would pass the drop test at that time, so an objective statement than could be tested.

My scope would pass your "test" and you'd lie about it and say it didn't.

Beyond that, short of multiple Leupholds passing, I would not recommend them even if I had one that did pass.

Even so, I was serious trying to find an illuminated Mark 4 HD 2.5-10 last year when it looked like the one being tested was going to pass. Best set of features on any scope. I got lucky and couldn't find one in stock because I really, really wanted to believe they had a winner.

 

[atmat]

@Marbles — there’s a reason I have him blocked. All hat no cattle.

 

[Louisiana]

Crazy that Jim Shocky has hundreds of hunts all around the world, for yhe last 35 years, most in far more rugged terrain and very remote places in often terrible circumstances than 95% of the hunters here...and what does he have on his rifles? Anyone care to guess? That man could afford to run any scope he desires, sponsored and free or not. I never heard him complain but one time when he dropped his rifle 40' down a chute and it broke...but he complained about his own slipping and not the scope. He is in a position whereas if they were junk he would say so and not use them.

I myself have been using them since the 80's and have at least 2 dozen of them and a lot are on pretty severe duty weapons. This includes pistol scopes too and on more severe recoiling handguns than any rifle anyone would care to shoot more than 1 round from. I even had one on my 7.5lb 300RUM no brake or can, 5.5lb 375 H&H w/brake, and 8.5lb no brake/no can 505Gibbs shooting a 525gr@2700fps, Ruger #1 458Lott, Ruger #1 470NE......and this, a TC Encore pistol in 500 S&W w/ a 10" barrel and the same with a 375 H&H in a 13" bbl, really severe kickers....same for some custom revolvers like 500 S&W w/3.5" bbl in a SINGLE ACTION with hot loads, could only stand to shoot 2 shots at a time...never had to send a single scope back, never a broken scope. Not sure what the hell you guys are doing, to be honest. Maybe learn how to handle a gun properly?

BTW, I did purchase a NF just to see what all the hoopla is about. Nice scope, probably as tough as they say, but it's 2.5x heavier than a Leupold and makes my 5.25lb 7prc handle something terrible...way too top heavy.

I’m sure someone else has pointed out that there are probably more Leupolds out there than any other brand . I have three on different rifles . I know one is 50 years old . Never a problem. I’ll keep my fingers crossed.

 

[JGRaider]

This is funny. I do know what you think about your gear, because you tell us quite frequently. I also said different expectations were fine.

You have made the claim, it is on you to prove the validity. I offered you the cost you wanted a while back, so long as you guaranteed it would perform as you claim, you decline on the grounds that I would boldfaced lie to prove a point. So once again, you want to be trusted while having no skin in the game. You did specifically state it would pass the drop test at that time, so an objective statement than could be tested.


Beyond that, short of multiple Leupholds passing, I would not recommend them even if I had one that did pass.

Even so, I was serious trying to find an illuminated Mark 4 HD 2.5-10 last year when it looked like the one being tested was going to pass. Best set of features on any scope. I got lucky and couldn't find one in stock because I really, really wanted to believe they had a winner.

So send me $1200 for my VX6 and you can test it however you want to. I don't have to prove anything to anyone, ever. Put your money where your mouth is.

@Marbles — there’s a reason I have him blocked. All hat no cattle.

I could take my Marlin 336 30-30 with Weaver K6 I've had since 1971, load it with 150gr Core Lokts and kill more game than you do every year.

 

[Marbles]

So send me $1200 for my VX6 and you can test it however you want to. I don't have to prove anything to anyone, ever. Put your money where your mouth is.

Asking hundreds above market value for a used scope (VX6 2-12x42) because you make claims that are not tested, refusing to take a return if what you claim doesn't hold up, then accusing someone else of not standing behind what they say should be a joke.

I put my money on it once already, but you refused to do the same on your end. It is not a never ending offer as I had the money at that time, but don't now. Rather given your need to call me a jackwagon, I just wanted to show that you had the opportunity offered and sabotaged it.

For reference, my SWFA has been through the drop test a few times to check mounting. I still don't give it a 100% probability of passing on the next round. All I can say with certainty is it survived 3 times and probability favors it passing the next time. My Maven RS1.2s still need to be dropped (what I spent the money on instead of your scope). I expect them too pass, but I'm not going to say they will pass.

 

[jimh406]

You should buy the brand/model that will hold up to you. The same is true for other things like cars/trucks/motorcycles/wives, etc. .

I did a survey on a very popular Oregon site to ask if the reader had a Leupold failure. The percentages didn't come anywhere close to what we see here. Maybe they don't hunt ... maybe the people here are abusive ... maybe something else. Who knows?

I do think using a Howa Superlite as a range gun(shooting a lot) isn't a common case for the Howa or any scope. I'm not saying don't do it, but you are on a boundary condition.

 

[peterk123]

Man, I'm one lucky duck. Five leupolds, two of them dial, and never an issue after hundreds and hundreds of rounds.

 

[JGRaider]

Asking hundreds above market value for a used scope (VX6 2-12x42) because you make claims that are not tested, refusing to take a return if what you claim doesn't hold up, then accusing someone else of not standing behind what they say should be a joke.

I put my money on it once already, but you refused to do the same on your end. It is not a never ending offer as I had the money at that time, but don't now. Rather given your need to call me a jackwagon, I just wanted to show that you had the opportunity offered and sabotaged it.

For reference, my SWFA has been through the drop test a few times to check mounting. I still don't give it a 100% probability of passing on the next round. All I can say with certainty is it survived 3 times and probability favors it passing the next time. My Maven RS1.2s still need to be dropped (what I spent the money on instead of your scope). I expect them too pass, but I'm not going to say they will pass.

$1200 is what it costs to replace it. I can't help it if you're broke and can't do anything but run your mouth about it. I don't give a ratsazzz about your SWFA or Maven either, nor is it my job to prove your ridiculous assumptions about my gear. Let me know when you scrape together enough money to prove me wrong.

 

[atmat]

Man, I'm one lucky duck. Five leupolds, two of them dial, and never an issue after hundreds and hundreds of rounds.

Hundreds and hundreds of rounds is literally nothing.

 

[Marbles]

$1200 is what it costs to replace it.

You shouldn't miss state things that are easy to verify with a Google search.

We all know you don't care, you probably have over 100 posts stating that. We have it at least twice today, can I get a third statement of it?

 

[jimh406]

Hundreds and hundreds of rounds is literally nothing.

If we are honest, most people don't shoot more than a box or two from their hunting rifle per year. Hundreds of rounds is decades at that pace.

 

[JGRaider]

You shouldn't miss state things that are easy to verify with a Google search.

We all know you don't care, you probably have over 100 posts stating that. We have it at least twice today, can I get a third statement of it?

Go borrow some money from your buds and get back to me.

 

[atmat]

If we are honest, most people don't shoot more than a box or two from their hunting rifle per year. Hundreds of rounds is decades at that pace.

That’s true, but there’s also those of us who shoot several hundred rounds in a shooting session.

And I don’t even shoot neaaarly as much as a lot of guys here.

 

[Marbles]

Go borrow some money from your buds and get back to me.

I'll put this more clearly. It was a one time offer. I've bought the scopes I needed.

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

Yeah was considering that but I don't want to sell someone a lemon either. I guess I can mark it down a bit and just be transparent that it has been repaired

I’ll give you $200 for it.

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

My son is going through this right now. He's got a POF Revolution that won't shoot, tons of various ammo and it just won't shoot a group. It's the rifle, we know damn well it's the rifle, but it's got a VX-5 on it so we just spent 4 hours at the range swapping scope and tinkering to confirm. Annoys me because I absolutely love that scope otherwise and nobody has an Alumina cap equivalent. It's like getting cheated on, once the trust issues are there they never go away.

And it was the rifle?

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

Lol or the scopes suck.

I have not had any of the 5 brands above ever lose zero. I’ve had Leupold, Vortex, and many others lose zero.

Miraculously, that somehow aligns with the majority of the population here. Whats the greater likelihood: that we’re all in on some big conspiracy or that the data presents a trend? Occam’s razor.

There is the Rokslide cult…

 

[Maverick1]

Just an update on this. Leupold had a really quick turnaround. They said the objective lens was loose. That sort of surprised me a little as it felt like the issue was with the parallax, but I know zero about scope repair or manufacturing so I hope they're right. Already being shipped back to me so that's less than a week of turnaround. I guess I'll give them one more go.

“Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me”

 

[atmat]

There is the Rokslide cult…

No there isn’t. You just make this up when people disagree with you.

 

[TheCougar]

Was out at the range today, and after about the 16th shot my Leupold VX-3HD 4.5x15 scope went way out of focus. The parallax knob didn't shift or anything. When I adjusted the parallax, I felt a mechanical like click and the focus snapped into place again. Repeated this process 4 times, same focus shift and mechanical click when adjusting parallax. I only have about 125ish rounds with this scope. I've read lots of bad and good things about leupold but my model seemed to have good reviews, and it was 25% off so rolled the dice and lost. Well, anyone have experience with a leupold after its been fixed at the factory? Worth giving it a second chance or bite the bullet and move on? I want something light so the leupold was tempting. Open to any options. Seems like the most reliable brands are nightforce, swfa an trijicon. Is that accurate? My check engine light also came on, so overall kind of a crap day.

This is funny to me… not that I’m laughing at you! My buddy has the same issue. I warned him not to get a Leupold, he didn’t listen, and less than 50 shots in and the scope is out for repairs.