Leica Amplus or something else

[Kren]

Hey Guys,
Looking for a new scope, and have narrowed the search to Leica Amplus 6, Maven RS1.2 or Trijicon Tenmile. I have read quite a bit on the Trijicon and Maven, but i don't see much on the Leica? I guess to me the 2 most important things with a scope is holding zero and tracking perfectly. Does anyone have first hand knowledge of these scopes and if one is better than the other? Specifically the Leica, they don't seem to have the following as other scopes for whatever reason? Maybe they aren't as good??

Any thoughts? I can buy the Leica new cheaper than the other two used. I do tend to prefer FFP, which favors the Maven or Trijicon, and i also like a little more magnification which favors the Leica or Trijicon.

 

[Axlrod]

I have looked through the Leica, but never shot with one. I also haven't seen any testing of the Leica. If you want to get one, and test it go for it, but if it were me I would go with a known entity- the Maven or the Trijicon.

 

[HuntHarder]

Leica looks very good on paper! Do you want FFP or SFP? That's what will help you narrow your search.

 

[Jebel]

I have the Leica, but don’t have firsthand experience with the other two. I’ve run a tall target test and it tracks perfectly. I’ve got it on a lightweight 7 SAUM that kicks pretty well and it holds zero. I’ve only had it three months so no field time yet. So far I’m pleased with it.

 

[cal30_sniper]

I’ve got all three, and have hunted the Leicas (2.5-15x50 and 3-18x44) and Trijicon Tenmile (3-18x44) and Credos (1-6 and 2-10 FFP). I also finally managed to get ahold of a Maven around Christmas, but haven’t mounted or spent any time behind them yet.

To my eyes, the Leicas surpass the Trijicon in glass quality, reticle (the FFP Trijicon reticles are REALLY small on lower power) and tactile feel (turrets, parallax, zoom, etc). That said, I keep coming back to the Tenmiles (my favorite of the Trijicons) because of the tested durability.

The Leica is an unknown in true durability without a documented drop test. That said, I’ve backpack hunted mine hard in both CO and NM with hundreds of forest road miles tossed in for good measure and not found a zero shift yet. Then again, a 7lb fully loaded 7mm Rem Mag is not something I’ve been firing 10-30 round groups to regularly check zero. My shoulder might be able to take it, but my wallet or powder inventory would start to struggle.

I like the Leica enough that it’s still on the 7Mag with both a Tenmile and a Maven sitting the box. Then again, I shoot a 7Mag with accubonds, so what do I know.

Leica 3-18 at 476yds with a 6mm ARC:

 

[KenLee]

I have six Leicas with no complaints. One is an Amplus. Nothing beats Leica glass to my eyes.

 

[Pronghunter]

Leica. Do a quick search and you’ll see the Amplus is excellent in every. I too have had or have the above optics. The Leica is by far my favorite.

 

[Mojave]

What model, I spent some time in the booth talking to the Engineer at Jagd and Hund. I don't know if I would buy one or not.

I personally think they have the best binos in the business now on the LRF bio. I wish I had them instead of the Swaro TA 8x42.

 

[Mike D Texas]

I have six Leicas with no complaints. One is an Amplus. Nothing beats Leica glass to my eyes.

I picked up a Leica ampulus at the Weatherby showroom in Wyoming. I’ve had a lot of alpha glass scopes and I was shocked at how bright, crisp and clear the glass was on the ampulus.

I was looking through a window out across a large plains area, not just indoors.

If they offered a FFP/Mil option one one of the ampulus models, I would definitely buy it if glass was my primary factor.

 

[Mojave]

I picked up a Leica ampulus at the Weatherby showroom in Wyoming. I’ve had a lot of alpha glass scopes and I was shocked at how bright, crisp and clear the glass was on the ampulus.

I was looking through a window out across a large plains area, not just indoors.

If they offered a FFP/Mil option one one of the ampulus models, I would definitely buy it if glass was my primary factor.

I told the engineer just thet. Mountain scope 3-5 bottom mag and 18-25 top end ffp with a THLR reticle.

 

[HuntHarder]

I’ve got all three, and have hunted the Leicas (2.5-15x50 and 3-18x44) and Trijicon Tenmile (3-18x44) and Credos (1-6 and 2-10 FFP). I also finally managed to get ahold of a Maven around Christmas, but haven’t mounted or spent any time behind them yet.

To my eyes, the Leicas surpass the Trijicon in glass quality, reticle (the FFP Trijicon reticles are REALLY small on lower power) and tactile feel (turrets, parallax, zoom, etc). That said, I keep coming back to the Tenmiles (my favorite of the Trijicons) because of the tested durability.

The Leica is an unknown in true durability without a documented drop test. That said, I’ve backpack hunted mine hard in both CO and NM with hundreds of forest road miles tossed in for good measure and not found a zero shift yet. Then again, a 7lb fully loaded 7mm Rem Mag is not something I’ve been firing 10-30 round groups to regularly check zero. My shoulder might be able to take it, but my wallet or powder inventory would start to struggle.

I like the Leica enough that it’s still on the 7Mag with both a Tenmile and a Maven sitting the box. Then again, I shoot a 7Mag with accubonds, so what do I know.

Leica 3-18 at 476yds with a 6mm ARC:
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Any chance you would want to drop test one of your Leicas or send it in to Form? I am interested in the Leica as well.

 

[Mojave]

The NX8 Nighforce 2.5-20 FFP is a 95% solution for all hunting.

 

[cal30_sniper]

Any chance you would want to drop test one of your Leicas or send it in to Form? I am interested in the Leica as well.

I had offered a while back but wasn’t taken up on it. Now that I’ve gotten one mounted on a 6ARC, I can probably shoot enough to conduct a test without blowing a hole through my bank account.

 

[Unckebob]

I was at the range today in a light drizzle. The image quality from my fairly new (3mo) Amplus was out of this world good. I bought mine after reading this.

Thread 'Leica Amplus 6 Riflescope review by Josh Boyd **updated 7/5/22**'
https://rokslide.com/forums/threads...pe-review-by-josh-boyd-updated-7-5-22.221637/

 

[Kren]

Thanks for all the replies and first hand knowledge. Sounds like I can't go wrong with any of them! I do wish the Leicas had a MRAD adjustment option, all my other scopes are Mil, would keep it easier for my brain.

Thanks again for the info!

 

[cal30_sniper]

2 of the 3 Amplus I have are mil reticles and adjustments. Not sure if they still make them that way or not.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I do wish the Leicas had a MRAD adjustment option

Model 50210 is the Amplus 6 3-18x44 in Mils

AMPLUS 6 3-18x44i L-4a BDC

The Leica Amplus 6's well-balanced, high-quality optics feature an extremely crisp illuminated dot, 6x zoom, a large exit pupil and a wide field of view. The rugged design makes the Amplus ideal for uncompromising use in any terrain.

leicacamerausa.com

Only 12.5 inches long, yet has great eye relief and eye box, even at 18x, and is only 23.6 oz

I have not personally tried a Maven RS 1.2 scope, but know a couple of people who are happy with them. I have owned Trijicon Tenmiles/Credos/Accupoint, NF NX8/NXS, Swaro Z6/Z5, Zeiss V6, GPO Spectra 6X, Meopta Optika 5/6, and the Amplus 6

My favorite scopes of all of these are the Swarovski Z6 2-15x44 BRH for holding over, and the The Amplus 6 3-18x44 in Mils for dialing.

 

[Kren]

Thanks Doc! I found them a few places now, thanks again for point that out! There's a Amplus 6 i found on a huge sale but it's MOA adjustment with MOA Christmas tree reticle. Saves $550....Hard for a guy like me to ignore that.... But I don't need/like a Christmas tree reticle for the shooting i do, and would prefer mils. Decisions, decisions i guess.

 

[cal30_sniper]

Any chance you would want to drop test one of your Leicas or send it in to Form? I am interested in the Leica as well.

Just following up on this, @NSI helped me go through a drop test with the Leica Amplus 3-18x on my 6mm ARC AR at a shoot last weekend. Cliff notes, it didn’t hold zero. The zero shifted about 2MOA up and right as the test progressed in two pretty distinct jumps. After the test, it took a string or two of ten shots to settle back in fully (not quite fully predictable tracking immediately following the test). I think there will probably be a more detailed writeup somewhere to follow, but here are the groups in question:

10rd group immediately prior to the drop showing zero:


Drop test group showing two shifts up and right as the test progressed:


5 round group immediately post-drop (no adjustments):


10 round group after a 1.5MOA adjustment down (scope did not seem to adjust a full 1.5MOA down):


Another 10 round group after a second adjustment 0.5MOA down. This was a weird group that started high and then dropped straight down “by the numbers”. I’m no expert, but it almost seems like this is where the erector caught back up with the previous shift up:


After that, things seemed to settle down, and adjustments were accurate enough to track hits from 400-1000yds based on the data from my AB Ballistics app. That being said, I’ve lost confidence in the durability of this scope for a hard use rifle like an AR. Witnessing the test first hand, I felt it was a pretty weak representation of things that happen when hunting, like falling down, knocking a leaned rifle over, sliding one out of the truck into a doorframe/rocker, etc. Scopes really shouldn’t have an issue passing this type of test.

 

[Unckebob]

Just following up on this, @NSI helped me go through a drop test with the Leica Amplus 3-18x on my 6mm ARC AR at a shoot last weekend. Cliff notes, it didn’t hold zero. The zero shifted about 2MOA up and right as the test progressed in two pretty distinct jumps. After the test, it took a string or two of ten shots to settle back in fully (not quite fully predictable tracking immediately following the test). I think there will probably be a more detailed writeup somewhere to follow, but here are the groups in question:

10rd group immediately prior to the drop showing zero:
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Drop test group showing two shifts up and right as the test progressed:
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5 round group immediately post-drop (no adjustments):
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10 round group after a 1.5MOA adjustment down (scope did not seem to adjust a full 1.5MOA down):
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Another 10 round group after a second adjustment 0.5MOA down. This was a weird group that started high and then dropped straight down “by the numbers”. I’m no expert, but it almost seems like this is where the erector caught back up with the previous shift up:
View attachment 861253

After that, things seemed to settle down, and adjustments were accurate enough to track hits from 400-1000yds based on the data from my AB Ballistics app. That being said, I’ve lost confidence in the durability of this scope for a hard use rifle like an AR. Witnessing the test first hand, I felt it was a pretty weak representation of things that happen when hunting, like falling down, knocking a leaned rifle over, sliding one out of the truck into a doorframe/rocker, etc. Scopes really shouldn’t have an issue passing this type of test.

1) That was an expensive test. I am impressed.

2) I would not have expected my Leica to pass the drop test. Mine has great optics, but it is definitely not built for hard use.

I looked hard at the NF 2-10 SHV when I settled on the Amplus. For my usage (mostly target and some hunting), it was the better choice.

If I was going into the mountains for a once in a lifetime hunt or I knew it was going to get beat around, I would definitely pick a NF.