Ladder test

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This was my first try at ladder tests. We had strong wind gusts from left to right. These round were loaded with my new redding dies. Shoulders bumped back .002 and used a .311 bushing to give me .002 neck tension. I also started a note book with all kinds of measurements recorded. Fired brass to resized and loaded rounds. All rounds would run in my t-3 clip.
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my t-3 with the new B&C stock was used for the 168's. I used my father in laws stock t-3 for the 140's. There was a noticeable difference between the two regarding recoil and cheek weld.
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what do you guys think? I never saw any pressure signs even at 72 grains. The next trip I want to take the crono with me.
 
You really need chrono data, but looks like an accuracy node at 71.5-72 grains, just looking at the photo I would load those and shoot for groups. Really need chrono data as this is a key piece in the reloading puzzle.
 
i dont know if you really accomplished anything there. for all you know your most accurate round there is the 68gr load. with out shooting more than one round of any of those loads or chronoing the data you have no idea what there doing. i always thought the ladder test was something like five rounds of each load shot one at a time in descending order to see where the best load grouped?
 
Were you shooting off bags or a lead sled or what? Are you working up two different loads for the two different rifles or two different loads for one rifle I am not sure what using the same mag in two rifles accomplishes.
 
I was shooting 2 tikka t-3's in 7 mag. One is mine the other is my father in laws. We want to use the 168's for elk and 140's for whitetails here in PA. With the colder temps I could switch between them and keep barrel temps low. With this method and plotting the hits at the bench with spotter it didn't take all day. I also used different colored sharpies to color the front portion of each bullet. In my notebook I recorded each charge weight and color. The color was left in the hole in the white paper for another way to identify what charge went where. I will have the chronograph with me the next time. It would be nice to know the velocities. I have read each gun is different and sometimes you may not get pressure signs even though you are there. The article I read from gun works said when you reach the max velocities from your manuals or close to it you should be at or near max pressure. Do you guys agree? Down the road velocity and Es will become more important for other reasons. Now I'm looking for the node and max pressure. The fastest bullet is less important than the consistent and most accurate one. I do plan to go back and do a more refined ladder around the upper node in .2 increments and then do a few group tests. I may even try 72.5, 73.0, 73.5, and 74.0. That may depend on the velocities I get in the top node. I will do the test on the 140's again using H4350. I think it may not be as clear on the 140's until I start to play with seating depth on the VLD hunting 140's. I know they can be picky. The 168's I shot last year and think I have that seating depth pretty close. I will be limited on the vld's by the t-3 clip though. We had a blast and learned a lot. My buddy has never seen this system, redding dies, and some of the gauges. He wad pretty impressed. He has loaded for 25 years for the PA woods so this kind of detail was never needed. I used bags front and back and did my best to not muscle the gun. There will be more tests and range reports to come. Thanks for the comments, and any knowledge you are willing to share. Has anyone done ladder tests using new brass? Everything that I have read says to use once fired brass from that gun. That is what I did until I can shoot up some more that I have. Would it make a big difference in a ladder test.
 
I would say if you're looking for consistency in your testing, then don't use new brass if you already used fired brass. Starting with new brass would still help you find the node or close to it, but since you will not be shooting new brass all the time, I would stick with what you have read.
 
Ya I just read the other night where a guy uses new brass for the first ladder and then he sticks with those for the rest of his load development. I think I will try this system out the next time I get a chance. I would like to run a few different ladders with different powders ect..
 
Good articles. I would emphasize doing this test at 500yds or beyond. There is another test you can do to find your node and then your optimal charge weight (OCW). I cant remember what it's called...I'll try to find it. It was on the snipershide forum. It was a test where you load 3 rounds of each charge weight and shoot from 100 yds (each charge having it's own target to shoot at). This test takes more time due to 3 rounds of each charge, but I found it useful.
 
Good articles. I would emphasize doing this test at 500yds or beyond. There is another test you can do to find your node and then your optimal charge weight (OCW). I cant remember what it's called...I'll try to find it. It was on the snipershide forum. It was a test where you load 3 rounds of each charge weight and shoot from 100 yds (each charge having it's own target to shoot at). This test takes more time due to 3 rounds of each charge, but I found it useful.

Optimal Charge Weight Load Development
just type that into google
 
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