Thanks for the reply. Have you strapped anything to the outside? The pack I have now is very secure it's just overkill in my opinion for whitetail hunts close to the truck. I really just need something to drag my platform and sticks into the woods comfortably. Shorter back actually helps. I'm thinking it will keep the pack high enough to ride above my saddle harness. The Venture 2300 outer straps look pretty sturdy but the 1800 look a bit light in pictures. Curious if anyone has tried carrying much weight on the outside of an 1800.