Krypteks NZ hunt

I was liking the approach to the hunt, but flying in on top and bailing out to shoot them.... it's not for me but at the same time some of that country looks completely inaccessible... and they do mention and cover that...

Dont think it's the best thing to show to non hunters as they will think thats how it's always done but at the same time glad they didnt try to hide it was that type of hunt either....

Sometimes you just have to admit you are stuck between the rock and the cliff and show both sides and hope no one tries to bury you there.
 
Unless NZ implements a rule similar to AK of no flying/hunting in the same day...what can you do? I've seen worse examples set for the industry.
 
JP100 said:
Hey Guys,
Just came across this video of some of the Kryptek 'crew'(maybe the owners) 'hunting' in NZ.
Seems like a repeat of last seasons Hushin video.

Season 1, Episode 1 - "The Kiwi Family" | Hunting Tahr & Chamois in New Zealand - YouTube

Good look for the industry?
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Joseph, This seems to be your area of expertise, so what's your take on the video? Seems like you can hunt those species without helos, but probably can't hunt much of the area they were hunting without them. They definitely didn't try to hide it and tried a bit to explain it around the 13min mark. Seemed whatever to me, though they probably could have left out the clip of the helo hovering right off the side of that cliff with those chamois cowering for cover... not really the best look IMO.
 
Nope, it's not a good look.

Flame away if you want, but it's time to clean it up. We are potentially a couple "Cecil" incidents away from starting to lose our privilege of hunting. People need to be ultra aware of what they are putting out there and how it will be perceived. Especially on mainstream social media outlets like Facebook, Instagram, YouTube etc.
 
just as well they had camo on because if they see you jump out of the chopper the animals will run straight away.

videos like this make me happy in my choice to do it the way i do.
 
Does the nz govt not cull these animals from helos? I could see being upset if they tried to misrepresent what it was, but in reality some people have different values, ethics, morals, whatever. As long as its legal, much ado about nothing?

People that bash people like this in the "industry" are the first to call for "outreach" to non hunters, who have much crazier views....but that's ok.

Virtue signaling...
 
JWP58 said:
Does the nz govt not cull these animals from helos? I could see being upset if they tried to misrepresent what it was, but in reality some people have different values, ethics, morals, whatever. As long as its legal, much ado about nothing?

People that bash people like this in the "industry" are the first to call for "outreach" to non hunters, who have much crazier views....but that's ok.

Virtue signaling...
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Yes, the govt culls a lot of tahr. But not chamois as far as I know. Both species also get shot commercially for meat. So on that basis pretty easy to argue they are doing nothing wrong. But it’s not hunting in my books, and I wouldn’t want to do it, but each to their own.
 
mproberts said:
Joseph, This seems to be your area of expertise, so what's your take on the video? Seems like you can hunt those species without helos, but probably can't hunt much of the area they were hunting without them. They definitely didn't try to hide it and tried a bit to explain it around the 13min mark. Seemed whatever to me, though they probably could have left out the clip of the helo hovering right off the side of that cliff with those chamois cowering for cover... not really the best look IMO.
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I dont think im an 'expert' in anyting haha, but this type of hunting has been a major issue here for a long time.

I could easily go Mt Goat country, or Sheep country and find the same terrain, sure there are some places you 'cannot' hunt, but dont go there! Tahr and Chamois are just as easily hunted on foot as any other alpine game in North America or Asia/Europe. Its a poor excuse to say its 'too hard', especially from fit and capable hunters who have hunted mountain game all over the world, like these guys have.

First off it is legal to AATH/Heli hunt, this is Aerially assisted trophy hunting, as the name suggests this is not government culling and purely a 'trophy' hunt for clients/guides.

This takes place in our national Parks and wilderness areas. Very few if any local recreational hunters support or want this activity to happen.

The biggest issue I see with this is, the way its perceived by the non hunter. Im not talking about antis, they cannot be dealt with. But the bulk of the population/average joe is a non-hunter who probably does not think much about it, he then flicks on TV/Facebook/Youtube and sees a 'heli hunt' where animals are herded and stressed by a machine so someone can shoot them for 'fun'. Thats not a good image for the industry here, or hunting in general. The 'non hunter' soon is converted to an 'anti hunter' and then we have a problem!

What happens when an animal rights group or anti hunting group get a hold of one of these videos? it has not happened yet, but it is only a matter of time, and it will hurt us all. ALL hunting is painted with the same brush for the non hunter and antis.

Hunting is under pressure worldwide, you guys feel it far more than we do. Europe is worse again.
These guys in this hunt are not idiots, they know whats going on, they can choose to hunt how they like and they do represent us in the media, whether we like it or not.
I think NZ is a 'testing' ground of hunters morals/ethics. sadly most dont seem to have any.

Why have they chosen to hunt like this? I dont know, maybe its abit of short lived fun to chase and harass game from a machine, helis are fun to fly in, no doubt, but harassing game, native, introduced or otherwise is a sad thing to do.

Replace those Chamois and Tahr with a Big Horn Ram, or a Mt Goat,
How would that hunt look?
 
JWP58 said:
Does the nz govt not cull these animals from helos? I could see being upset if they tried to misrepresent what it was, but in reality some people have different values, ethics, morals, whatever. As long as its legal, much ado about nothing?

People that bash people like this in the "industry" are the first to call for "outreach" to non hunters, who have much crazier views....but that's ok.

Virtue signaling...
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The govt does cull game here, just as the government in Canada culls problem bears, Neither of these are filmed and sold as 'hunting'.

Videos like this effect us all, its labeled as 'hunting' and ALL hunting is grouped together for the non hunter and anti hunter.
Non-hunters are not the problem, antis are.
Videos like this easily turn one into the other.

Do you think videos like this do a good job to represent your hunting?
or represent what hunting is and/or should be about?

Because its public, and it does represent us whether we like it or not.
 
JP100 said:
I could easily go Mt Goat country, or Sheep country and find the same terrain, sure there are some places you 'cannot' hunt, but dont go there! Tahr and Chamois are just as easily hunted on foot as any other alpine game in North America or Asia/Europe. Its a poor excuse to say its 'too hard', especially from fit and capable hunters who have hunted mountain game all over the world, like these guys have.
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I agree. If it’s too hard then don’t do it. I mean not everyone can climb K2, but some people can. There are plenty of MT Goats that a person can’t safely get to, so you find another one that you can. That’s kinda day one stuff on sheep and goats. Sometimes the animals win and that’s ok. If a giant ram or billy finds some gnarly hideout that we glass for hours and try multiple approaches trying to find a way to access it then good for him, he got old for a reason. That’s why it’s called hunting.
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Thanks for the input. I completely agree that public image is a big thing, I don't think most hunters realize how small the hunting population is and how non-hunter support numbers have been steadily dropping in recent years. I'm sure social media and the growth of hunting TV has probably played a part in this. It is sad that a lot, if not the majority of what is depicted on TV and online isn't representative of what the average hunter does. If you based your opinions of hunters off what you saw on TV/online you would think we all hunt private ranches, are way more focused on trophies than meat and like killing big game with crazy shit like spears. There is so little hunting media that focuses on conservation, public lands, and meat processing/preparation. I feel like 90% of hunting media overlooks the meat aspect of the hunt, it is just like trophy animal down.. hero photos... back to the lodge to high five everyone.. now cut to highlights from next week's episode. I'm currently preparing for a caribou hunt and almost every non-hunting coworker, family member and friend I know has asked me basically the same question.. "Are you doing anything with the meat?" The fact that I am even asked that is saying that we as hunters or the hunting media is likely doing something wrong.
 
JP100 said:
The govt does cull game here, just as the government in Canada culls problem bears, Neither of these are filmed and sold as 'hunting'.

Videos like this effect us all, its labeled as 'hunting' and ALL hunting is grouped together for the non hunter and anti hunter.
Non-hunters are not the problem, antis are.
Videos like this easily turn one into the other.

Do you think videos like this do a good job to represent your hunting?
or represent what hunting is and/or should be about?

Because its public, and it does represent us whether we like it or not.
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As long as its legal, I really don't care. Would I do it? No. Would I be ok with a helo dropping me off for a few days? Sure.
 
I'm a little torn on this. On the one hand, I fully understand how this could be perceived poorly by the non-hunting and anti-hunting public, and its not something I would necessarily want to do. On the other hand however, I do applaud them for being open about it, and NOT posting a bunch of pics and portray this as if they hunted in a different way. If you have the means, this would definitely be a fun time. I'm not going to feign outrage about it however, as I dont see that it is any different that road hunting for antelope or mulies. Same tactic, just different vehicle used :-)
 
Virtue signaling isn't something that should be happening in the hunting community, but here we are I suppose. Looks to be legal from the information that I found, so what makes this any different than using a 4-wheeler, SxS, running dogs, etc. The answer is, it isn't any different because you're still using a non-human means of accessing game that would otherwise be more difficult to attain. I would never hunt like this because it just doesn't look fun to me. Bottom line, go hunt the way you think is best (read: FUN) and support other hunters regardless if you agree with their legal method. That is how we beat the Anti's and provide a mature example to non-hunters.
 
Sorry i dont get equating this to using motor vehicles or aircraft for acess. Seeing this renforces fly and hunt prohibitions like Alaska because its obvious that we cant count on some hunters to do the right thing if it isnt prohibited by law. As someone that has spent several hundred days following hounds into every hell imaginable i wont even comment on eqauting landing a helicopter and shooting an aniaml vs a hound hunt.
The if its legal we need to support it idea is about a vacant a thought process as can imagine.
 
"The right thing" is subjective because it is rooted in cultural acceptance. What you perceive to be right is different than what another individual thinks. It's not something that can just be referenced as if it's a golden rule when social norms are different from home to home, let alone country to country. There are those who think "the right thing to do" is to not allow you to run hounds, which is absurd. All I'm saying is that they're not portraying an illegal act and they are putting an animal down more humanely than that weekend warrior who hasn't touched his rifle since last hunting season.
Trial153 said:
Sorry i dont get equating this to using motor vehicles or aircraft for acess. Seeing this renforces fly and hunt prohibitions like Alaska because its obvious that we cant count on some hunters to do the right thing if it isnt prohibited by law. As someone that has spent several hundred days following hounds into every hell imaginable i wont even comment on eqauting landing a helicopter and shooting an aniaml vs a hound hunt.
The if its legal we need to support it idea is about a vacant a thought process as can imagine.
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