Yes, on the road system. I've still hunted with a little grunt call in early October, walking slow and grunting and had some success. As others have said, it's a tough time of year because they aren't necessarily in predictable places. The road system also gets a lot of pressure, as does Saltery. I was in Saltery two years ago in November around Thanksgiving. It snowed a foot, cleared off and dropped to 12 degrees. There were some deer down low but when we glassed the mountains we saw trails of deer marching down off the highest stuff. Their trails looked like veins going to an artery. I was surprised to see the majority of deer still up that high in November. I do think part of the reason for that is pressure. We did still manage to take a few home.