Kifaru Sawtooth tent pegs ?

[Shrek]

I recieved my new to me Sawtooth the other day and looking at the pegs....well , they are plastic . For the guys that have used them extensively what do you think of them ? Any recommended replacements ?
Has anybody replaced the aluminum pole with a carbon one ? If so , how much weight did you save ?

 

[Daniel_M]

MSR Groundhog pegs all the way. My GoLite if fully staked takes about 20.

.71oz each. About $2.50 at most stores.

 

[hflier]

If they are dura pegs I really like them I use then on all my tents.

 

[Shrek]

I think that is what they are. They came with my tent so they are OEM.

 

[Shrek]

I'm wondering how they do when you hit a rock while driving them in with another rock.

 

[luke moffat]

I'm wondering how they do when you hit a rock while driving them in with another rock.

They can break sure if you hit a rock...I usually pack one or two more. The thing is the Sawtooth is meant to be a 4 season tent and withstand some pretty nasty winds. Seen it handy a couple days at 50-60 mph with gusts high on Kodiak. For that you want stakes that are long to really get a good purchase into the ground. Most aluminum stakes that long either break or bend. MSRs GHs are good, but IMO not long enough for standing up to a LOT of miserable wind. That said if you are going to be camping in the timber wind won't be much of a concern so MSRs might work well for you. Just my experience in the Sawtooth, but I've only used one for about 12 days on Kodiak so my experience is likely limited more than most....

 

[Shrek]

Luke , I've seen the video of your sawtooth pitched in that gentle breeze on Kodiak ! I need to have confidence that Kifaru wouldn't send junk pegs with their tent but plastic doesn't inspire much confidence in me.

 

[Ironman]

If you watch Patricks video on Sawtooth set up, he hits a rock, then just angles the peg to avoid the unseen rock.

As far as holding power, I would think the Durapeg would have considerably more holding power than a groundhog type stake.
It would be no different than a drilled pier used in construction. The larger the diameter of the pier, the more uplift "resistance" it will have, due to surface area in the ground.

 

[cmeier117]

I would think long and hard on a carbon pole. I know when Aron did wind testing on the BCS and Sawtooth the Carbon pole snapped on the bcs... So that is something to consider. But I would ditch the rear pole and use a trekking pole.

 

[Shrek]

What kind of winds did it take to snap the carbon pole ? I'll most likely use the aluminum pole that comes with it but want to explore the options.

 

[cmeier117]

What kind of winds did it take to snap the carbon pole ? I'll most likely use the aluminum pole that comes with it but want to explore the options.

I wasn't there but saw pics and talked to Aron. I don't want to speak for him, but he was exploring using a carbon pole for his sawtooth as well. He stopped exploring at that point I believe and carried the few extra ounces....

 

[luke moffat]

Luke , I've seen the video of your sawtooth pitched in that gentle breeze on Kodiak ! I need to have confidence that Kifaru wouldn't send junk pegs with their tent but plastic doesn't inspire much confidence in me.

'Twas but a light zephyr indeed. Like I said for the weight and the length of stakes they are they are tough to beat for good purchase points in high wind areas. Maybe half durapegs have MSRs and use the MSRs the places you run into rocks? As for a carbon pole, if you are camping in places that require the 4 season abilities of the Sawtooth then I'd keep using the aluminum one. But if in the timber or protected areas you could opt for a carbon one or even use trekking poles. Just like I usually take the real center pole for my SL-5 when I go to Kodiak instead of using trekking poles. Well that and I'm usually hunting mountain goats and would rather have both trekking poles with my while hunting those critters.

 

[Shrek]

Luke , thats what I was thinking. Pitching where I could get blasted at any time without any kind of wind break there is no doubt I would carry the OEM aluminum pole but where I'm not likely to be caught out in the open with high winds it would be nice to drop the weight. The tent alone is pretty hefty and the poles just plain heavy. It's definitely made to withstand come what may. I'm going to practice pitching it this weekend so I get the feel of the setbacks and all. Now , if I can squeeze some more blood out of my turnip bank account I'll get the new oval stove and sell the medium ss I have. That would be a BIG weight dump.

 

[luke moffat]

HAHA what a lucky world we live in where a 4 seasons tipi with over 100 sq ft of space that you can stand up in and withstand bomber weather in is considered hefty at 4.5 pounds and two poles that weigh a total of 15 oz together are "heavy" Sorry just gotta laugh at the point we've gotten to I'm just as bad as the next guy but sometimes I like to take a step back and realize what we are saying.

 

[Shrek]

You're right about the pole weight being small potatoes. The stove is the big chunk of easy weight loss.

 

[parshal]

I received a Sawtooth a couple months ago and it came with aluminum pegs that are nearly identical to the MSR Groundhogs. They weigh about .45 ounces. I've since purchased 16 Sorex 9" carbon fiber stakes which weigh .3 ounces. I haven yet to use them. Removing them from hard ground might be a PITA given no "pull" string but they're long.

http://www.rutalocura.com/Tent_Stakes.html