Yea the odds have really went down the last few years. When I first started applying odds of NR cow archery tag were like 1 in 35 and a bull tag was like 1 in 300. I still couldn't draw either one back then!! Oh well, no matter how crappy the odds I will continue to donate my money to them. The cost is minimal to get in the drawing and the chance to only have to drive 3-4 hours to be in elk country will keep me applying. I wish my home state (North Carolina) would get of their butts and start alotting a few elk tags. We have a couple hundred elk running around the mountains and they proposed a season a couple years ago. The wildlife commission never really wanted elk in the first place and they keep acting like if they ignore them they will go away. I went up to the Cherokee Indian Reservation a month ago and saw 35 elk. My buddy rented a cabin a few weeks ago in the mountains and saw several bulls grazing out in a farmers field. He stopped in to talk to the farmer and he told him he sees elk almost every day. My buddy got good photos of the bulls and none of them have tags in their ears, which means they have never really been accounted for. Our wildlife estimates there are 160-200 elk in the mountains here. But they don't really know how many there are. Hell, one of our NC elk wandered all the way down the South Carolina last year, a couple hundred miles from where they were originally transplanted. In recent years, farmers have started to complain about crop/property damage from elk. The wildlife gives out a couple depred permits to them. Why not hand out 5-10 lottery tags, charge $10-20 or hell even $50 to apply? Make some money, get rid of some elk and make everyone happy. I would pay to play even if they odds were long on drawing a tag.