Justice finally served in Utah

[whatnot]

Notice, it was fed prosecuters, as the dwr hq always runs cover for the corporate crooks, but after numerous charges for decades, Wade Lemon finally gets clipped.

https://www.abc4.com/news/southern-utah/utah-men-sentenced-canned-mountain-lion-hunts/

 

[Mykolaivka887]

https://www.abc4.com/news/southern-utah/utah-men-sentenced-canned-mountain-lion-hunts/

Aah, the notorious A3 Trophy Hunts guy .....

 

[Sled]

Didn't do much to shut him down. Seems soft for the feds but way better than the state would ever do.

 

[180ls1]

Didn't do much to shut him down. Seems soft for the feds but way better than the state would ever do.

At least they are good at writing speeding tickets.

 

[mtwarden]

Out of curiosity; in your opinion, is it the game wardens (or their supervisors) falling down on the job or prosecutors not willing to do theirs?

We had a few counties (fortunately only a few) in Montana we could hardly ever get a wildlife case prosecuted; it wasn't lack of effort on the warden's part.

 

[Sled]

At least they are good at writing speeding tickets.

Wow, that's not right. Document 1 violation ever 23 hours. Sure is easier to find one on the interstate than in the woods.

 

[Sled]

Out of curiosity; in your opinion, is it the game wardens (or their supervisors) falling down on the job or prosecutors not willing to do theirs?

We had a few counties (fortunately only a few) in Montana we could hardly ever get a wildlife case prosecuted; it wasn't lack of effort on the warden's part.

Usually, it's a broken system that makes it hard to hold people accountable. In this instance there was a lot of evidence over a lifetime achievement for him. The feds were just able to finally make something stick.

 

[Mykolaivka887]

Out of curiosity; in your opinion, is it the game wardens (or their supervisors) falling down on the job or prosecutors not willing to do theirs?

We had a few counties (fortunately only a few) in Montana we could hardly ever get a wildlife case prosecuted; it wasn't lack of effort on the warden's part.

In a general sense, and only referring to enforcement and prosecution here in Alaska, it's been the unclear or not-so-well-defined regulatory game/fish laws that have negatively impacted prosecutions. But, I can't speak to the State of Utah.

 

[Sled]

We had a few counties (fortunately only a few) in Montana we could hardly ever get a wildlife case prosecuted; it wasn't lack of effort on the warden's part.

This is one of the reasons I opted not to go into this field years ago.

 

[180ls1]

Out of curiosity; in your opinion, is it the game wardens (or their supervisors) falling down on the job or prosecutors not willing to do theirs?

We had a few counties (fortunately only a few) in Montana we could hardly ever get a wildlife case prosecuted; it wasn't lack of effort on the warden's part.

We (the public) deserve A LOT of the blame for apathetic voting and related. Everyone deserves some of the blame IMO.

 

[180ls1]

This is one of the reasons I opted not to go into this field years ago.

One of the best guys I know. Total stud and someone we need more of. Just left PD for largely that same reason.

 

[Sled]

One of the best guys I know. Total stud and someone we need more of. Just left PD for largely that same reason.

No one wants to pour their heart and soul into something that's a lost battle with no support.

 

[3Esski]

it is beyond difficult to be successful in getting the charges to actually stick, so becomes almost not worth the effort. I have seen cases with Facebook posts and video evidence from the defendant where they were 100% guilty, and admitting their guilt through braggadocios posts, not get prosecuted. It's a pretty sad state of affairs.

 

[Will_m]

Out of curiosity; in your opinion, is it the game wardens (or their supervisors) falling down on the job or prosecutors not willing to do theirs?

We had a few counties (fortunately only a few) in Montana we could hardly ever get a wildlife case prosecuted; it wasn't lack of effort on the warden's part.

Prosecutors for sure. LE can only bring it to them.

 

[mtwarden]

^ that sucks

Demoralizing for law enforcement folks who bust their hump to put a case together only to have it go up in smoke with the prosecutor.

 

[TSAMP]

Am I the only one that read this and thought the definition of "canned" seemed a little funny?
When I first read the title I thought he had a lion chained to a tree and released it as a hunter arrived in pursuit, or controlled it in a similar fashion. Sounds like he essentially let hunters stay back until it was treed then called them in? If I'm sitting in the truck it's OK but if I'm in the camper 15 miles further it's not?

 

[huntnful]

Am I the only one that read this and thought the definition of "canned" seemed a little funny?
When I first read the title I thought he had a lion chained to a tree and released it as a hunter arrived in pursuit, or controlled it in a similar fashion. Sounds like he essentially let hunters stay back until it was treed then called them in? If I'm sitting in the truck it's OK but if I'm in the camper 15 miles further it's not?

I was curious on the actual circumstances also. Or was hound hunting illegal in general? It's not like you keep up the dogs the whole time. They tree, and you get there when you get there. Whether you're 1 mile or 5 miles away.

I know everyone loves to see big names with charged with shit (for some reason), but this definitely needs more context IMO.

 

[Andrew12gauge]

I was curious on the actual circumstances also. Or was hound hunting illegal in general? It's not like you keep up the dogs the whole time. They tree, and you get there when you get there. Whether you're 1 mile or 5 miles away.

I know everyone loves to see big names with charged with shit (for some reason), but this definitely needs more context IMO.

In this instance it’s not let the dogs go on a track and catch up later, it’s guide and dogs go out, shooter is at home, dogs tree cat, guides call shooter, guide and dogs keep cat treed until shooter arrives to dispatch the cat


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[mtwarden]

We had outfitters that would tree a lion, call the client and say we've got a good one treed. The client (who would even sometimes have to even fly in from out of state!) would then go to the treed lion and shoot it. Not very fair chase IMHO.

 

[huntnful]

In this instance it’s not let the dogs go on a track and catch up later, it’s guide and dogs go out, shooter is at home, dogs tree cat, guides call shooter, guide and dogs keep cat treed until shooter arrives to dispatch the cat


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Appreciate the clarity! Yeah, that sounds canned to me. If the hunter isn't even willing to be NEAR the hunting area while things are taking place, then that just isn't right. At least with me personally. Sounds like they probably just run dogs day in and day out until they find the biggest cat, and then call up the fattest wallets to come kill it.

I would probably feel differently is the hunter was just in camp at least honestly.