John Dudley

[Trial153]

So you don't listen or follow or his content but you know his intentions?

You should really listen to his podcasts from the beginning. There is more information in the first 100 podcasts than you will ever get from any pro shop. Obviously, he is going to make to money for him and his family off of his expertise but there is not very many people, if any, in any field that provide the high quality information that he does for free.

I wish more people 'marketed' like him as the world would be a much more knowledgeable place.

Why would anyone have to guess at his intentions when they are stated front and center. He promotes himself though media so he can sell himself to sponsors. Whats wrong with that?
I haven't shopped at pro shop since I stoped being part owner owner of one, about 15 years ago. So I am not exactly sure why I would need to "get information " from a pro shop.

 

[steelhauler34]

When it comes to equipment endorsement remember this.... it is 90% about the paycheck.. the other 10% is how the company makes the “pro” feel.

Exactly and it’s true of every single sport there is. Don’t understand why archers never seem to get this and these changes are such a big deal and warrant such lengthy discussions. Does anyone ever pay attention to basketball,football, baseball or hockey? Guys are here today gone tomorrow. Just the nature of the business.


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[Phat Cowboy]

Hmmm, we‘ll see how it plays out. Not sure about ”building bows the customer wants vice what the engineers decide..” . That’s paraphrasing, but I’m pretty sure the engineers at every major brand know what the consumer wants. Realizing that to them the ’consumer’ is all of us, not just any one person.

Regardless, he is a good resource for bow hunters and if he feels this is the best path for him, more power to him.

Do they? Do the engineers really know what bow hunters want? I'm an engineer I work with many fellow engineers. One thing I can say is very few "engineers" are coming up with great new ideas. They're very smart and take their jobs very seriously but I don't love my job like I love archery. I help design things but I wouldn't say I have passion for them nor am i coming up with new ideas & innovations. Neither I or anyone I've ever worked with has ever came up with an industry changes innovation. We definitely work hard to implement those innovations most of which come from visionaries which don't have near the engineering education or experience. There's a lot of great engineers out there, theres lots of great pro archers, not sure how many great pro archer/engineers there are???

Duds if you follow him is very much you'll see he's very much about his "Nockon" community. He's all about interacting with his social media he's a sponge when it comes to learning from other people. He's talked a lot coming up and how he learned a lot form other big names in archery on both the target side and hinting side. He talks about how he had to over come target panic. He does a lot of Q & A with average Joe's. He does tons of research and trial & error stuff, so much more than the average guy has time for. If there was anybody I know that I would trust to come up with archery ideas that could help me it would probably be John Dudley.

 

[3forks]

I’m surprised this Dudley move is such a popular topic for discussion.

Imagine what would happen if Aron Snyder decided to leave Kifaru for a brand like Stone Glacier... This place would probably melt down, and I’m sure a lot of guys would want to get their Kifaru tattoos removed.

 

[cuttiebrownbow]

Why would anyone have to guess at his intentions when they are stated front and center. He promotes himself though media so he can sell himself to sponsors. Whats wrong with that?
I haven't shopped at pro shop since I stoped being part owner owner of one, about 15 years ago. So I am not exactly sure why I would need to "get information " from a pro shop.

Congratulations that you are an expert and don’t need any other information. That attitude is probably why no one goes to pro shops and would rather listen and learn on their own tbh

That’s the reason I don’t go to them anymore.

I really love people that assume they know everything lol


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[Brendan]

I've listened to a majority of his podcasts, consider myself a fan. But, he 100% advocates and "advertises" for his sponsors. No problem with that, it's how he gets paid.

 

[Trial153]

I've listened to a majority of his podcasts, consider myself a fan. But, he 100% advocates and "advertises" for his sponsors. No problem with that, it's how he gets paid.

I am not sure why people are a uncomfortable with that fact. Its like they are insecure in accepting valuable infomation from someone that isnt providing it for altruistic reasons.

 

[MattB]

I am not sure why people are a uncomfortable with that fact. Its like they are insecure in accepting valuable infomation from someone that isnt providing it for altruistic reasons.

My opinion? Lots of people want the world to be black and white so they can comfortably wrap their brains around it. Grey areas cause dissonance.

 

[Trial153]

Congratulations that you are an expert and don’t need any other information. That attitude is probably why no one goes to pro shops and would rather listen and learn on their own tbh

That’s the reason I don’t go to them anymore.

I really love people that assume they know everything lol


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Dude you need to get over yourself. Not everyone is going to agree with you. The same way not everyone needs or wants to listen to John Dudley. Its not a refection on him or you
There are tons of resources out there to suit everyone.
I have witnessed a lot of guys on here spend a lot of time going out of the their way to help others on a variety of subjects. I like think that quite a few on here that know me know that i have done the same.

 

[Trial153]

My opinion? Lots of people want the world to be black and white so they can comfortably wrap their brains around it. Grey areas cause dissonance.

Sounds plausible to me.
I sure as hell dont begrudge Dudley or anyone else making a living at something the obviously enjoy. More power to them.

 

[cuttiebrownbow]

My opinion? Lots of people want the world to be black and white so they can comfortably wrap their brains around it. Grey areas cause dissonance.

That’s the point of the me questioning the ‘he is only in it for money’ stance. This is first course business ethics questions. Are people creating stuff to help others/donating to stuff because it’s the right thing to do or just to benefit themselves. The truth lies in the middle but the ‘they only reason why people do stuff is for money’ or ‘only in it for the good’




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[Brendan]

That’s the point of the me questioning the ‘he is only in it for money’ stance. This is first course business ethics questions. Are people creating stuff to help others/donating to stuff because it’s the right thing to do or just to benefit themselves. The truth lies in the middle but the ‘they only reason why people do stuff is for money’ or ‘only in it for the good’

I don't know anyone said "He's only in it for the money". But the reality is, this is his career, his job, and it needs to pay money to support him. Sounds like he's also found a career that he truly loves, but I'm sure there's a ton of BS that he hates just like every job.

So yes - free content that helps a ton of people. But also a ton of dudes blindly doing things and buying things because "Dud said so..." and they like being part of NockOnNation...

Again, coming from someone who's a fan. But not a complete homer about it either...

 

[skyler_2010]

I've listened to a majority of his podcasts, consider myself a fan. But, he 100% advocates and "advertises" for his sponsors. No problem with that, it's how he gets paid.

I also have noticed that he talks about many other products that he has tried and he didn't like for one reason or another. From what I have gathered about him is he is totally anal about his set up and pays way more attention to things that most people would take for granted, I would think that is why he accepted the sponsors he has because he has analyzed all the "small" details and has found them to be acceptable, Which means he will promote it to his followers because he has faith in it and knows that the people who respect and listen to him will be in good hands if they use those products as long as they have the proper form and shot technique (which is what he preaches more than the products he promotes from what I have heard)

 

[Scottyboy]

Should be interesting to hear his thoughts now that he can talk about other brands without being handcuffed by Hoyt, that I can appreciate.

 

[Trial153]

Should be interesting to hear his thoughts now that he can talk about other brands without being handcuffed by Hoyt, that I can appreciate.

You mean PSE doenst come with cuffs as well?
Its not like he has taken a sponsorship hiatus.

 

[Scottyboy]

You mean PSE doenst come with cuffs as well?
Its not like he has taken a sponsorship hiatus.

If you listen to any of his “press releases” he makes it a point to say he is now allowed to talk about other/competing products in a open and honest way, which he wasn’t allowed to do with Hoyt.

 

[Trial153]

If you listen to any of his “press releases” he makes it a point to say he is now allowed to talk about other/competing products in a open and honest way, which he wasn’t allowed to do with Hoyt.

It will be intresting for his listeners to see if and how that happens.

 

[Scottyboy]

It will be intresting for his listeners to see if and how that happens.

I can see your side of things, if you can let me know another place to find unbiased info (that I don’t have to pay for), I’m all ears..

 

[Brendan]

I also have noticed that he talks about many other products that he has tried and he didn't like for one reason or another. From what I have gathered about him is he is totally anal about his set up and pays way more attention to things that most people would take for granted, I would think that is why he accepted the sponsors he has because he has analyzed all the "small" details and has found them to be acceptable, Which means he will promote it to his followers because he has faith in it and knows that the people who respect and listen to him will be in good hands if they use those products as long as they have the proper form and shot technique (which is what he preaches more than the products he promotes from what I have heard)

I would say he specifically avoids talking about specific brands he doesn't like a lot of the time. He actively avoids it. I get where he's coming from - doesn't want to talk bad about a brand, but at the same time I want to hear the info. So - I'd say it's a mix here.

I don't find him over the top anal over small details at all. I guess it depends where you're coming from. Although, on certain things I've definitely learned from him.

But there are certain areas I'd really like to hear more detail and not just scratch the surface, and others where I've heard him contradict himself or not talk through how a specific recommendation might not apply if you weren't a 31-32" draw...

So, not completely unbiased, but I don't think anyone is, and he's currently putting out better content than almost anyone else...

 

[Dunndm]

I’m surprised this Dudley move is such a popular topic for discussion.

Imagine what would happen if Aron Snyder decided to leave Kifaru for a brand like Stone Glacier... This place would probably melt down, and I’m sure a lot of guys would want to get their Kifaru tattoos removed.

Funny thing is, idk who Aron Snyder is... but I know John Dudley. So it’s just like anything else people have interest in


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