Is this Kryptek Sheep hunt film satire?

[Mtnboy]

I have a great story about the non-res tag holder that drew the raffle tag for unit 11, one of my best friends...big money tried to buy that too. My buddy got to tell the fat wallet to pound sand, twice.

Even better he killed a B&C ram at about 100 yards with a remington 700 ADL in .270 and a 150 grain partition...with one shot.

You know, the way sheep hunting should be.

Um, to my knowledge you can't sell that tag if you win it?

 

[BuzzH]

Um, to my knowledge you can't sell that tag if you win it?

Ummm, no, but if the first runner up is a fat wallet that buys a jillion raffle tickets, and offers the winner some sweet deal to say he can't hunt the tag...

 

[sndmn11]

Sad part is Sayer won't/didn't even give the unit tag holder a second thought...it was a forgone conclusion who was "entitled" to that ram.

But, please keep in mind, we've all been told it was all about the ram...

Steaming pile from stem to stern, and just gets worse the more its defended.

This is why I believe the argument for auction tags being about the animals is poppycock. If the poo-shooter really cared about sheep hunting he would have been happy to see a guy score on his once in a lifetime tag. If he cared about the success and health of the ram, he would make the responsible decision after a moss or two to not continue and potentially wound bit not recover the ram.

Both actions paint the picture of someone who "invested" in ID sheep because he wanted to grow one to shoot, and it sounds like in a place he could manipulate the system into getting a tag, not because he wanted to help Bighorns. Someone who is invested in sheep and not glory would have been just as happy to see another hunter shoot that ram or see that ram grow older and make little ram-lets.

 

[Mtnboy]

This is why I believe the argument for auction tags being about the animals is poppycock. If the poo-shooter really cared about sheep hunting he would have been happy to see a guy score on his once in a lifetime tag. If he cared about the success and health of the ram, he would make the responsible decision after a moss or two to not continue and potentially wound bit not recover the ram.

Both actions paint the picture of someone who "invested" in ID sheep because he wanted to grow one to shoot, and it sounds like in a place he could manipulate the system into getting a tag, not because he wanted to help Bighorns. Someone who is invested in sheep and not glory would have been just as happy to see another hunter shoot that ram or see that ram grow older and make little ram-lets.

Playing devils advocate again....

Doug and Shelly Sayer have paid for a Sheep hunt that they donated to the <1 raffle at Sheep Show. So I'd say his actions and money spent on Sheep Conservation aren't fully selfish.

I definitely don't agree with everything he does but he is not completely evil like some here would believe.

 

[Trial153]

The unit tag holder was not getting that Ram. No way in hell. It was already a forgone decision. They even stated it in the video. See the “ your Ram” quote at the 13:13 mark



“ especially when one of them is a governors tag. Because that’s a significant amount of money that’s been Donated to conservation for him to get that tag, and, he , sometimes those guys can be all about themselves and sometimes they are not. In this situation Doug was awesome he wanted to hunt side by side with Travis. You know his camp it was kind of set up. One thing that impressed me a ton, was I remember like Doug saying like “hey if your ram comes and you have a clear shot and I don’t, take the shot. I mean that right there, both these guys, just the ethics.”

 

[BuzzH]

Playing devils advocate again....

Doug and Shelly Sayer have paid for a Sheep hunt that they donated to the <1 raffle at Sheep Show. So I'd say his actions and money spent on Sheep Conservation aren't fully selfish.

I definitely don't agree with everything he does but he is not completely evil like some here would believe.

Seriously?

Trying to oust a GF Director, a couple commissioners, tear down the IWSF all because he can't get his way on more auction tags is being a nice, thoughtful champion of wildlife?

So generous and stand up of him...to buy a sheep hunt to donate for a tax write off.

I guess we can ignore the rest...

 

[303TrophyHusband]

I will say this. If we filmed every elk hunt for the average person, it probably wouldnt look much different for about 15 to 20 percent of them.

It aint always pretty, is the same thing I tell everyone that I take hunting for the first time. The thing that I hate about stuff like this is the guy will be hailed as the great white hunter for killing a monster ram and just completely shit showed himself through it. I also know a couple people that shit showed themselves into successful businesses and I passed a couple classes in college that way.

Overall, I think there is a better representation that can be used at WSF banquet but average rams only bring average bids.

Very good points...I would say 15-20 is a very conservative estimate

 

[sndmn11]

Playing devils advocate again....

Doug and Shelly Sayer have paid for a Sheep hunt that they donated to the <1 raffle at Sheep Show. So I'd say his actions and money spent on Sheep Conservation aren't fully selfish.

I definitely don't agree with everything he does but he is not completely evil like some here would believe.

I don't think that making a donation to something, of any amount, means that the donor deserves anything more than a thanks. If the idea is to make a donation and get something beyond what my $1 receives, you are walking into the idea of corruption. I think those types of time/monitary/product "donations" are best done without quid pro quo, especially when the "for the cause" drum is banged.

 

[Rob5589]

Playing devils advocate again....

Doug and Shelly Sayer have paid for a Sheep hunt that they donated to the <1 raffle at Sheep Show. So I'd say his actions and money spent on Sheep Conservation aren't fully selfish.

I definitely don't agree with everything he does but he is not completely evil like some here would believe.

He paid for the privilege of being able to hunt an animal that is for the majority of hunters, unobtainable. From the video, he along with his posse disrespected that privilege.

Not to mention based on his past actions, I wouldn't exactly call him a wildlife philanthropist.

 

[Hunt4lyf]

We should be flooding the YT comments section. There are only 32. Flame away.

Not anymore, now there is 3.

 

[VinoVino]

I’m not against auction tags. I’m sure they bring in a lot of conservation dollars to help maintain habitat, etc. As long as everyone else gets a fair shot at additional tags, be it through points lottery or raffle, etc.

Regardless of who is holding the tag, there’s a responsibility to the animal to know your gear. And if you missed that badly after one shot, and maybe a second shot, then I’d say the best thing to do is go back to camp and sight your gun in again. Maybe you’ll get another chance with the animal the next day, or perhaps you’ll have to wait until the following year. Or maybe that was it - you tried and have a story to tell.

And I sure hope it’s much less than 20% of elk hunters that miss their target like this. That’s obscene. I get that stuff happens, but if 1 in 5 of us is missing like this, there should be 20% fewer hunters.

 

[mlgc20]

I’m not against auction tags. I’m sure they bring in a lot of conservation dollars to help maintain habitat, etc. As long as everyone else gets a fair shot at additional tags, be it through points lottery or raffle, etc.

Regardless of who is holding the tag, there’s a responsibility to the animal to know your gear. And if you missed that badly after one shot, and maybe a second shot, then I’d say the best thing to do is go back to camp and sight your gun in again. Maybe you’ll get another chance with the animal the next day, or perhaps you’ll have to wait until the following year. Or maybe that was it - you tried and have a story to tell.

And I sure hope it’s much less than 20% of elk hunters that miss their target like this. That’s obscene. I get that stuff happens, but if 1 in 5 of us is missing like this, there should be 20% fewer hunters.

I agree. My issue with the ”hunt” in the video is the ethics of how it was handled. I just can’t believe with the army of folks there, there wasn’t one adult who could help step in and keep this from being such an embarrassment.

And even after the whole thing transpired, nobody seemed aware enough to realize what an embarrassing spectacle they had made. They all seemed extremely pleased with themselves on a job well done.

 

[sndmn11]

I wonder what the $ the draw guy would have had to pay the auction guy to let him set up on The Duke and take shot two if shot one was missed.

To that same point, I wonder how thankful auction guy was to draw guy for letting him use his rifle BEFORE he shot. That seems like a guy I'd like to see a hunt show about.

 

[Cameron.25]

Not anymore, now there is 3.

I recommented as i see you did too lol. They should probably just remove the video honestly

 

[mtnkid85]

Disappointing.

 

[Mtnboy]

I don't think that making a donation to something, of any amount, means that the donor deserves anything more than a thanks. If the idea is to make a donation and get something beyond what my $1 receives, you are walking into the idea of corruption. I think those types of time/monitary/product "donations" are best done without quid pro quo, especially when the "for the cause" drum is banged.

What did he receive for paying for that hunt and donating it for <1 ?

Maybe I wasn’t clear or you didn’t understand, that donation I used as an example wasn’t a part of the Auction Tag situation at all.

I’m gonna bow out, I certainly don’t condone what happened in that video. Just trying to provide some context outside of that I guess.

 

[Azone]

Hello Boys...

This is Butch Whiting, CEO Kryptek Outdoor Group

Quite a discussion we have going on here, so I felt it appropriate to jump in and give a few comments that I am able to speak to in this thread!

First...There was a lot of debate about editing out how this hunt actually went down. After much discussion, the decision to keep it as authentic as possible and not edit everything out became the way ahead....It was a Shit show for sure!! But for anyone that has hunted long enough, we have all had those crazy moments where things don't go as planned. Doug is actually a very good shot...but something was off with his gun and after the first shot, Things just fell apart from there.

If you haven't experienced something like this for yourselves, I would caution you to criticize to harshly, because its bound to happen as some point...Just hope you don't have a gallery of people and camera's everywhere when it does like Doug did...Yikes!!

Secondly...The Film was kept Authentic as possible because it was going to be the center of Gravity for the Idaho Wild Sheep Banquet in the Spring of 2020...There was a plan to wrap a 15 minute speech into the story, and explain everything about the hunt. The film was done with that, and soley that in mind....Both Idaho and National banquets went virtual, and the in person speeches and discussion went to the wayside, and the film went to the virtual platforms....Time was limited in the virtual intro's, and it just didn't pack the same punch that was intended...With all the "Explanation" of the highs and lows of the hunt.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=674391520074695

The real focus was to be on the Ram, and what it represented for all of the hard work Idaho Wild Sheep Foundation, Idaho Fish and Game Biologist has done to improve the numbers and quality of the Sheep Populations in Idaho!

Happy to speak with any of you that would like discuss...Come by our Booth at the National Wild Sheep Foundation in Reno over the next few days...Booth #863

Hope to see you there!

What would have happened if unit tag holder had shot the 200 incher?
If the real focus was to be on the ram and what it represents for game conservation in Idaho, why shoot it up the ass?

 

[sndmn11]

What did he receive for paying for that hunt and donating it for <1 ?

Maybe I wasn’t clear or you didn’t understand, that donation I used as an example wasn’t a part of the Auction Tag situation at all.

I’m gonna bow out, I certainly don’t condone what happened in that video. Just trying to provide some context outside of that I guess.

It was clear.

You seemed to be offering up his past "donations" as justification for why this video should get a blind eye. I'd hope that most hunters don't equate donation as an open door to defile.

Doesn't somebody always pay when something is donated? On both ends of the transaction usually.

 

[amassi]

What did he receive for paying for that hunt and donating it for
Maybe I wasn’t clear or you didn’t understand, that donation I used as an example wasn’t a part of the Auction Tag situation at all.

I’m gonna bow out, I certainly don’t condone what happened in that video. Just trying to provide some context outside of that I guess.

A write off and good publicity

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[orionsbrother]

Not my kind of thing. Not what I would think would be good marketing.