is there a great tutorial on how to sandwich a load between pack&frame. kifaru T2

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is there a great tutorial on how to sandwich a load between pack&frame. kifaru T2

bikini frame and timberline 2.

i've seen videos, but they gloss over the needed details. looks like you lose the use of the load lifters?

i want to buy the meat shelf, but hesitate without real instructions. i posted up in Kifaru's forum, but i just hear crickets. i guess everyone is too busy loving their gear. the fit on my pack is fantastic..i just want to have option to put meat outside. i have the grab-it, but i suspect that will be occupied by my bow.

 

[Ranger619]

You can go to Rokslide videos under Vimeo and look at page 11 Aron has a video "5 days in DT3" show it or check out page 14 Matt did a video on load comparisons.

 

[KMT]

I think that a meat shelf would be a lot less practical than one might imagine. A heavy load of meat that is sandwiched between the bag and frame would severely limit what you could meaningfully carry in the bag.

 

[mattstanton]

I am not a meat shelf fan. It moves the load away from your back which increases the leverage if the load pulling you backwards. In my opinion it's much more comfertable to put the meat in the main bag to keep it close to your back.

 

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I am not a meat shelf fan. It moves the load away from your back which increases the leverage if the load pulling you backwards. In my opinion it's much more comfertable to put the meat in the main bag to keep it close to your back.

Huh? Doesn't the shelf get the meat even closer?

 

[KMT]

The meat shelf won't put meat any closer to your back than if it were simply in the main compartment of your pack. Your pack already sits against the frame. If you put meat in between the pack and frame, then anything with any substantial weight/volume that you would be carrying in your main compartment would be sitting farther away from your back, throwing your center of gravity off. If the meat is in your bag, you don't need a meat shelf and you don't have to worry about securing your bag over the meat as a "second" layer. If you don't want your pack to get dirty, you can line it with your choice of trash bag, contractor bag, or dry sack. The kifarus are built to carry a lot of weight inside the main compartment. Aron packs out a lot of elk, I would ask him how often he uses a meat shelf. I have packed out my fair share, and I can't see where using a meats shelf would provide an advantage. But I'm always willing to learn and listen.

 

[voidecho]

Huh? Doesn't the shelf get the meat even closer?

Stop using logic.

 

[mattstanton]

Keeps the meat in the same spot but moves the rest of the gear away from your back. There's the logic.

 

[voidecho]

If the meats in the same place wouldn't the rest of the gear be in the same place, just less bloody?

 

[voidecho]

 

[muleman]

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While it is hard to compete with voidecho's artistic abilities. Here is an article with pictures of why the concept of a load shelf is beneficial.

http://stoneglacier.com/load transfer.html

Last year I packed four animals in a load shelf. In every instance the meat weighed more than my gear. My gear was tightly compressed against the meat. In this configuration the heaviest weight was placed close to my body and the lighter items were further from my body. You CAN do the same thing in a pack bag. I find it more convenient to use the load shelf with the added benefit of my gear staying clean with out having to bag the meat in a non-breathable blood proof bag.

 

[colonel00]

Completely honest question but doesn't the meat sit lower in a meat shelf load as opposed to at the top of a pack on top of your other gear?

 

[luke moffat]

I am not a fan of the load shelf either...having used that method to haul out a couple animals I found its quicker and easier if you already know how to load a large volume pack properly and where to put the heavy items (meat) and properly use the compression straps you can accomplish the same thing in a in a more streamlined package than using the meatshelf method. Plus there is now swapping the pack/frame "into meatshelf mode".

Certainly no right or wrong way of going about it, but having tried both I prefer a large volume packbag loaded properly with compression straps used to keep the meat as close to my back as possible. To each their own.

 

[muleman]

Completely honest question but doesn't the meat sit lower in a meat shelf load as opposed to at the top of a pack on top of your other gear?

No need to preface the question as an honest one. I think it's comical when people get all bent if everyone doesn't do everything the same way or like the same thing. Whoever is willing to sherpa for me, can use the pack they want and load it however they want.

My load shelf attaches to the frame approximately 6 inches from the bottom of the frame. You can lower the upper shelf straps down if you wanted/needed to. I also use the bottom vertical and horizontal compression straps to hold the whole load up. I haven't had an issue with the low saggy pack bottom that drags you down or back. With the bottom compression straps synched down you can render the bottom of the pack and load shelf unusable, thus forcing the loads higher too.

Last year was my first year with a load shelf. I found it fast and simple to pack and unpack meat when using the load shelf method.

 

[luke moffat]

No need to preface the question as an honest one. I think it's comical when people get all bent if everyone doesn't do everything the same way or like the same thing. Whoever is willing to sherpa for me, can use the pack they want and load it however they want.

My load shelf attaches to the frame approximately 6 inches from the bottom of the frame. You can lower the upper shelf straps down if you wanted/needed to. I also use the bottom vertical and horizontal compression straps to hold the whole load up. I haven't had an issue with the low saggy pack bottom that drags you down or back. With the bottom compression straps synched down you can render the bottom of the pack and load shelf unusable, thus forcing the loads higher too.

Last year was my first year with a load shelf. I found it fast and simple to pack and unpack meat when using the load shelf method.

Muleman,

I certainly don't hope you took my post as getting bent out of shape. Simply sharing my experience after having used both. I mentioned that is what "I" prefer and to each their own. I could care less of others use a Jansport.

 

[muleman]

Muleman,

I certainly don't hope you took my post as getting bent out of shape. Simply sharing my experience after having used both. I mentioned that is what "I" prefer and to each their own. I could care less of others use a Jansport.

Luke,

Not at all, we were typing our posts at the same time. I was referring to colonel00 prefacing his question as not to offend.

We both agree that there are multiple ways to load a pack with meat. While we have differing likes on how to do it. I have great respect for you and your wife. The four animals I packed last year is just a good week for you two. I respect your options, even if we differ.

--Matt

 

[luke moffat]

Thats just it. So long as it works for you who cares...we just share our experiences in trying to help others enjoy success as well. The end of the day we both are getting the "enjoy" of heavy hauling animals out of the backcountry. Cause its whats in the bag on a packout is more important than the name thats on it so long as it works for you.

 

[colonel00]

No worries fellas. I just didn't want the question to come off as a smarta$$ question as can occur on online forums at times. I agree as well that everything is personal and I think it also really matters what you are hunting and other factors of the hunt. For instance, when I have had to haul quarters because we were keeping the meat on the bone on an elk or caribou, I found the load sling idea to be not all that bad. Mostly this was because the "meat pack" ran the length of the pack and it would have been awkward to have it sitting up really high and protruding out of the top of the pack. On the flip side, for transporting boned out meat of smaller quantities like a deer, either having the ability to elevate the meat shelf support, as muleman describes, or loading the meat bag in the top of the pack seems to make more sense.

It just struck me that this image, as great as it is, was a little misleading when it shows the placement of the meat at the bottoms of the packs. To me, both images seem to be asking for an uncomfortable haul.

Perhaps this fantastic edit of the image might better show the discussed meat placements?

 

[Shrek]

No worries fellas. I just didn't want the question to come off as a smarta$$ question as can occur on online forums at times. I agree as well that everything is personal and I think it also really matters what you are hunting and other factors of the hunt. For instance, when I have had to haul quarters because we were keeping the meat on the bone on an elk or caribou, I found the load sling idea to be not all that bad. Mostly this was because the "meat pack" ran the length of the pack and it would have been awkward to have it sitting up really high and protruding out of the top of the pack. On the flip side, for transporting boned out meat of smaller quantities like a deer, either having the ability to elevate the meat shelf support, as muleman describes, or loading the meat bag in the top of the pack seems to make more sense.

It just struck me that this image, as great as it is, was a little misleading when it shows the placement of the meat at the bottoms of the packs. To me, both images seem to be asking for an uncomfortable haul.

Perhaps this fantastic edit of the image might better show the discussed meat placements?

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Dude ! The meat turned green ! You got to let it cool before you cram it in the bag.

 

[colonel00]

Dude ! The meat turned green ! You got to let it cool before you cram it in the bag.

We really need a "Thank You" button