Is poaching truly this prevalent?

Poaching is definitely a major issue and is easy to do because the game wardens are spread too thin to effectively cover their areas. Then, you have all the dipshits that think the warden is just out to get them (see previous threads here).

I also think a lot of ass hats with the type of here say stories are just blowing smoke. The guys that I would actually be concerned about are not the ones telling every dude that will listen about their supposed exploits.
 
The one that gets me is how many people who in the same breath while complaining about poachers talk about using other peoples tags or applying for different units for different people in the family but everyone hunts every unit. Wardens love that ticket. The crazy thing in most instances the person could have just shot a deer without a tag and violated less laws. When someone else's tag is used each person gets tickets. Not only do they get the same hunting without a valid license ticket they also get the illegal transfer of a ticket... (most states have some similar language) the tag owner gets a ticket too so its far more of a penalty.
 
Party hunting waterfowl is definitely not legal regardless of how you want to think about it. That said, I would imagine the majority of group limits are shot according to the group's total limit.

I grew up in a state where party hunting deer was legal. The same logic also got applied to pheasants and waterfowl even though it was not legally correct.
I don't think it's legal down here in TX. I sometimes have the curse of shooting very well and I'll be sitting with 6 birds and the rest of the group might be lucky to have 1 or 2 combined between them. In these situations I stop shooting not because of the law but I feel like it takes away from their experience and I want to let them enjoy hunting and shooting their own. Not to mention they obviously need practice lol. Now I will say when I sit and watch usually they don't even know who's dropping what birds, all they know is they fell, so I have zero qualms with group limits... but we will have a discussion if anybody hunting with me wants to keep more than a limit or shoots/at something they shouldn't.
 
Probably, but who cares these guys are scumbags. Likely the same prevalence of scumbags in the hunting world as the general public.

But all you can do is report em when you see em (or you’re part of the problem) and just do your own part to be a legal, ethical hunter on your end.

So i don’t worry about em much even though i put poachers down their with thieves, rapists, and drug dealers. I personally don’t associate with any of these types of losers so it’s not really a part of my daily existence.
 
This is one of the most brilliant anti-poaching moves I've ever heard of. People would turn in family to get 10 draw points.
On paper its a great idea, but good luck getting the pay off. In WA you awarded points if there is a successful prosecution and the state agrees it is due to your information. Unfortunately the WDFW is underfunded and the enforcement guys don't have time to pay attention much less pursue everything reported.

Only absolutely airtight cases are going to result in bonus points. You better catch them in the act and hold them at gunpoint until the law arrives.
 
I had called about 2 guys shooting from a road, onto private property. They fired many rounds and left the 264 win mag brass in the road. They had killed one cow an wounded another and then took off. I dropped off my buddy so he could go finish off the spine shot cow, I chased them down and got a license plate and description of both. DOW showed up and so did Eagle County Sheriff Deputies, with no where to go the offenders headed up Red Table road with cops in pursuit. I heard some of it over the radio, they had tossed their guns in the snow and took off running. Both were caught. Turns out their tags were not bull tags, for a unit nowhere near where we were.
While we were cleaning up the elk, one of the Sheriff's deputies asks me if there are a bunch of elk around, telling me that he was on duty the whole season. Then asks me if I would shoot an elk for him. I really don't think it was a set up, I think he really wanted me to shoot one for him.
 
I agree, however, with the value of points diminishing in WA state, they really should offer a separate pool of points for incentive tags...pretty sure people would actively go looking for poachers.
I know a person with 30+ points in quality elk WA... Got 10 from turning in what turned out to be a poaching case... Think he still has less then 2% chance at drawing the tag he puts in for...
 
I also won't hunt for "trophy deer" because I think it is a cancerous approach to hunting. I don't hunt for bragging rights.

This is one snippet I wanted to pull out, from a long post I otherwise largely agree with wholeheartedly, for a little perspective sharing.

As a broad generality, the bigger and older the animal, the bigger the rack - and the more difficult of a hunt it will be. That animal will usually just be a lot more cagey, wily, and evasive, at least with pressured public-land animals. So in a sense, the rack is simply a proxy measure for both difficulty of the hunt, and one's own skills and accomplishment.

For me personally, the more I know about a species, and the more experience I have with hunting them, the more interesting a larger, harder to find animal is. I know almost nothing about elk hunting, and just a little more about antelope hunting, and with both of those I'm more aligned with your disinterest in going after a trophy - it's more about the satisfaction of getting an animal down and enjoying that meat with the family. If there's a lot of opportunity, I might pass on a dumber and younger one if there seems a reasonable chance for a bigger, older one, but it's just not a big deal to me.

With mule deer though, it's a different story. The tags are hard to get here - once every 3-6 years for a rifle hunt, roughly. I'm obsessed with those amazing animals, trying to understand everything I can about them as a species and in the regional ecosystems I hunt them in. And, I want to make the absolute best out of every hunt I so rarely get to enjoy. Weeks of scouting, just to find a couple of the best individual bucks I can, to know exactly where I'll be on opening morning, and hope nobody got either of them during bow or muzzleloader season. Muleys older than about 4 or 5 on public land are almost an entirely different species - they just get vastly more intelligent, and super cagey. And I'm absolutely willing to exchange weeks of my life, in order to earn that hunt. In doing so, sometimes you eat those tags if you've got a high bar set, or are hunting a specific buck that keeps eluding you.

And, frankly, I don't give 2 $h*ts about what other people think, unless they have a deeper, experienced understanding of how difficult it is to get a really big, old mule deer buck on the ground - I'm not doing this for the approval of others.

But that's the big difference - the people who go cancerous over trophies, they're doing it for the approval of others, and the perceived status they think it gives them. In a way, it's a little analogous to stolen valor - its parading around markers of status that were not earned within the rules others performed under. Shooting a town buck is practically stealing, like shooting a pet. If I share, it's because I'm sharing the experience with someone the same way I'd pull out an old antique gun for a person whom I know will actually, personally appreciate it. It's not for just anyone.

If I could get 2 or 3 deer a year, it may not be this way for me. If I were obsessed with elk the way I am with mule deer, it'd be less of a basic hunt and more of a challenge pursuit. But with mule deer, it's about understanding them at the deepest levels, for the love of animal and of the pursuit, at the hardest levels.

I hope the context and nature of all this makes sense. People can go malignant over trophies, but I know I'm not alone in appreciating what goes into a trophy mule deer like this. It's not the same thing.
 
I think in the context of poaching a common one you get when talking about the nation is party hunting / filling a family member tags. This is likely most common for freezer filling versus chasing coveted tags (that does happen).
I believe this was/is legal in Wisconsin. Wouldn't surprise me if it's legal in several states.

I think there needs to be an accepted definition of "poaching" to give some clarity.
Didn't properly affix your tag? Poacher?
Gun case not properly closed? Poacher?
Seems like the word is used pretty generously.
 
I don't think it's legal down here in TX. I sometimes have the curse of shooting very well and I'll be sitting with 6 birds and the rest of the group might be lucky to have 1 or 2 combined between them. In these situations I stop shooting not because of the law but I feel like it takes away from their experience and I want to let them enjoy hunting and shooting their own. Not to mention they obviously need practice lol. Now I will say when I sit and watch usually they don't even know who's dropping what birds, all they know is they fell, so I have zero qualms with group limits... but we will have a discussion if anybody hunting with me wants to keep more than a limit or shoots/at something they shouldn't.
Almost all group hunts for ducks i do with 3 or more guys end up with group limits. Sometimes the worst shot of the day will be allowed some solo chances or first shot on the duck(s) coming in. But in groups I hunt with no one really cares on who shoots what. And on big flocks where 4 guys shoot and 6+ ducks fall it is very hard to know who shots which ducks.

Big game is very different as we all shoot our own deer but big game is with my dad and brother. Before my grandpa passed and hunted with us he was in the older mindset of he didnt care if he shot his deer or someone could shoot it for him. I think that only happened once or twice as we wanted my grandpa to get his own deer.
 
Almost all group hunts for ducks i do with 3 or more guys end up with group limits. Sometimes the worst shot of the day will be allowed some solo chances or first shot on the duck(s) coming in. But in groups I hunt with no one really cares on who shoots what. And on big flocks where 4 guys shoot and 6+ ducks fall it is very hard to know who shots which ducks.

Big game is very different as we all shoot our own deer but big game is with my dad and brother. Before my grandpa passed and hunted with us he was in the older mindset of he didnt care if he shot his deer or someone could shoot it for him. I think that only happened once or twice as we wanted my grandpa to get his own deer.
Amen.

Not so sure why we have this faction who wants to make everything complicated and call LEO on everyone.

Most stories folks hear are fabricated for their enjoyment.
 
More game wardens? Our game wardens push bullshit infractions to justify their existence. They pretend to care about wildlife but mainly about their pay check and pension.
You see a deer hit by a car and still alive: Will a warden pick it up and take it to a vet? Not in a million years. They may come out and kill if it’s not to close to quitting time. If they are so concerned about unlawful killing of wildlife; why don’t they investigate who hit the deer and could it have been avoided. Ticket the driver and let him fight it in court. Until recently carcasses we’re seized for evidence and left to rot. That has changed but due to hunters bringing it to light.
 
Another topic is what is poaching versus honestly just making a small mistake or oversight? Is anyone who breaks a hunting law a poacher? Or is a poacher someone who knows that he/she is doing is illegal and does it anyway? It can be a fine line. There are so many rules that it can be easy to overlook some small things - like not completely zipping up your gun case for example. This is a violation in some states.

I think there needs to be an accepted definition of "poaching" to give some clarity.
Didn't properly affix your tag? Poacher?
Gun case not properly closed? Poacher?
Seems like the word is used pretty generously.

Agree with both your takes here. In my mind the term "poacher" is tied mostly to intent. There are exceptions of course. Ignorance of the law doesn't preclude one from being labeled a poacher if the offense is serious enough.
 
I can't poach because I would like to display pictures if I get a great trophy! I also have a personality where people want to confide in me. I don't want to hear about someone's transgressions or I would be a priest. Be Well Brothers, BG.
 
I believe poaching to be a more common occurrence than most would realize, unfortunately. And by poaching, I mean intentionally hunting out of season, trespassing, using other's tags, different units, blasting from the road/car, etc....

There are some people that, for whatever reason, just do not see Fish and Game laws as real laws. And those that I've meet like that, also don't view Game Wardens as real Officers.
 
I had called about 2 guys shooting from a road, onto private property. They fired many rounds and left the 264 win mag brass in the road. They had killed one cow an wounded another and then took off. I dropped off my buddy so he could go finish off the spine shot cow, I chased them down and got a license plate and description of both. DOW showed up and so did Eagle County Sheriff Deputies, with no where to go the offenders headed up Red Table road with cops in pursuit. I heard some of it over the radio, they had tossed their guns in the snow and took off running. Both were caught. Turns out their tags were not bull tags, for a unit nowhere near where we were.
While we were cleaning up the elk, one of the Sheriff's deputies asks me if there are a bunch of elk around, telling me that he was on duty the whole season. Then asks me if I would shoot an elk for him. I really don't think it was a set up, I think he really wanted me to shoot one for him.
I think it was the MT warden show back in the day, but they had a few episodes on these late season cow elk hunts. Its easy to romanticize the out west hunts, but watching the circus of vehicles chasing and shooting and running herds of animals was pretty disgusting. By the amount of vehicles and the wardens reaction I could only assume this was pretty common place.
 
The only story I had someone tell me was a coworker in AZ. He was new to hunting and went out with his girlfriend’s family. He told me they were shooting deer at night with a spotlight. I honestly think he was too dumb to know any better. There was a page in the AZ regs about turning in poachers with a picture of a guy on a truck with a rifle and spotlight. I figured maybe he just fell in with the wrong crowd and didn’t know any better, so I showed him the picture and told him that might not be a good thing to talk about or do again.
 
I have it on good authority, that a guy (who is now dead) in a friends deer club here in GA used to shoot every buck he saw during deer season. It wasn't uncommon for him to shoot 6-12 bucks a year. The limit back then was 1......His excuse was "They are all tagged..." He was real sneaky about it too and he simply used all of his families tags to tag them. He didn't see a single thing wrong with doing that. He was the president of that deer club too so nobody said much to him.

Poaching in GA is still pretty bad but it isn't as bad as it used to be because a lot of that "old guard deer clubbers" are aging out and dying off. They were a bunch of savages.
Didn’t read all the replies in here but had something to add to yours.

I was stationed in Savannah for a hot minute. Did a lot of hunting on Fort Stewart and HAAF. What blew my mind about Georgia was the paper license. I recorded my deer on said paper license, but if I lost it I could just print out another paper license with blank tag slots and start over.

Hunted with a group of guys on some private land for a few years. Come to find out, one of them was doing just that. He would fill his tags, if I remember right it was 10 doe and 2 bucks, then go print a new license. He would “back date” a few entries and continue hunting. Once word got out that he was doing that, he was no longer invited to hunt with that group.
 
I worked with another guy who had moved here and married into a hunting family
He'd never hunted but went with them elk hunting.
He got lucky and made a kill.
But it was a moose. He didn't know the difference.
Lucky for him the family was a bunch of loggers and they hid the moose in
a load of logs to get it home.
 
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