Ideas For "Ultralight" Wall Tent Style Shelter. Features you want to see?

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Hey Guys. We are working on another "ultralight" wall tent style shelter, along the same lines as the Courthouse that will be coming out hopefully this summer. We wanted to give people a chance to throw out some features that they would like to see on this new tent. Could be anything! The basic idea that we have is very different from anything else out there but we want this to cover a lot of bases.

Go ahead and shoot!

P.S. We will not be able to make one out of Dyneema... Just saying.
 
Cat cut the sides to the roof so you can actually pull the darn thing tight. I have a OneTigris Tegimin and that is my only complaint is that is has to be just right to pull the roof tight with no frame.

Now if you can get an internal frame and keep it under 5lbs. would really be something.
 
Current owner of a hot tent used for backpacking in and out. Love the idea of a ultralight wall tent, could really disrupt the market.

Weight would be huge, being able to utilize it via backcountry hunting and or base camp. Like said above, around 5lbs would be perfect. Enough headroom for the guys to stand up and get dressed. A small nylon loop at the peak to hang a led lightweight dome light would be beneficial. I know people complain about Kodiak Canvas Bows for that purpose. Ability for a one man set up.
 
BuckRut said:
Cat cut the sides to the roof so you can actually pull the darn thing tight. I have a OneTigris Tegimin and that is my only complaint is that is has to be just right to pull the roof tight with no frame.

Now if you can get an internal frame and keep it under 5lbs. would really be something.
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Heard that. How quickly does that one tigris set up?
 
RyanSeek43 said:
Heard that. How quickly does that one tigris set up?
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It's pretty darn quick to get initially set up due to the fact that there is no frame. You just run a ridge line then guy out the roof and stake the base down. I use prusik knots to secure the tent to the ridge line so I can easily pull it taut where I want it and that makes things pretty easy. You could spend all day at it if you needed to get it ready for heavy wind.
 
Feel free to dm me if you need to bounce any specifics off me. I have done a ton of canvas wall tent camping and lot of that involved a 12x14 that I would set up by myself in under 30 minutes including the stove.
 
Sounds really interesting. Curious about the target audience. I know I'd be really interested in something sizeable but probably not back country backpackable (that's what my teepee is for) but ultra-light backcountry horse packable. We often do horse supported hunts, where 3/4 guys lead in 3/4 horses. Currently we just use the teepee/stove combo because we don't want to dedicate a whole horse (or more) for a traditional wall tent and stove. So to me, for my nitch, this could be even more like 15-20lb setup for a tent/stove combo (I'd probably just utilize my current teepee stove) hopefully 2x the size of the courthouse. Would assume it it also be a small fraction of the bulk of a traditional wall tent set up. Looking forward to seeing what you have!
 
I use our courthouse on most hunts longer than two nights; at the truck. I added wall poles which helps with snow load and wind stability. We don't use the stove because the current location is wildly inconvenient, it should be in a front corner.
 
Ryan,
All I ask is you give me some credit when this idea sells like crazy. grin

1) You could do what I did; I made my tipi with short walls that attach just inside the drip line. The sweet spot is about 12"-20". the problem with tipis is they swoop low to the ground and that outside perimeter is unusable. Raise the canopy, add a short wall [with some ventilation] and its still super light and strong.

2) Your Courthouse design is pretty good but as a base camp tent it will function better if it was fully or partially made from breathable material. Maybe the roof a lighter grade of canvas and wall silnylon...or vice versa. I bet most use the Courthouse as a base camp tent...thus it doesn't have to be ultra light....just not the 60# blob of a big wall tent.

I really like the internal frame of my wall tent....something like that with the courthouse would be nice.
 
Runningwater said:
Sounds really interesting. Curious about the target audience. I know I'd be really interested in something sizeable but probably not back country backpackable (that's what my teepee is for) but ultra-light backcountry horse packable. We often do horse supported hunts, where 3/4 guys lead in 3/4 horses. Currently we just use the teepee/stove combo because we don't want to dedicate a whole horse (or more) for a traditional wall tent and stove. So to me, for my nitch, this could be even more like 15-20lb setup for a tent/stove combo (I'd probably just utilize my current teepee stove) hopefully 2x the size of the courthouse. Would assume it it also be a small fraction of the bulk of a traditional wall tent set up. Looking forward to seeing what you have!
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Do you guys typically sleep in cots on the horse supported trips?
 
RyanSeek43 said:
It will be in addition to! Definitely not replacing the courthouse.
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Well in that case, something that bridges the gap between a traditional wall tent and the Courthouse would be awesome. Something with a lightweight internal frame but with some sort of lightweight low stretch/sag material with an overall weight of sub 20ish lbs.
 
RyanSeek43 said:
Do you guys typically sleep in cots on the horse supported trips?
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I rarely pack cots on my hunts. Little different if you have a large number of stock like an outfitter, but when its just myself and 3-4 horses, I still want to be lightweight. . I would really like some sort of floor as an option. Maybe a 3/4 floor or a full floor with open space where the stove needs to go. I like the courthouse and have used one multiple times, but dont own one because I still have a redcliff that works fine. BUT, If i could upgrade to a larger tent i could stand in all over like the courthouse, with a lightweight floor and stove ability and still stay around that 15lb mark give or take with all stakes/poles etc. That would be an awesome set up for run and gun horse trips
 
Take the design of the Twilight and up size it to a 6 person (13' x 13') with the addition of a bell tent style sidewalls for the ability to utilize all the floor space. An optional rigid collapsable frame would also be nice for the horse guys or anyone wanting a basecamp setup. Removable fire mat/floor and possibly a liner would round out the accessories nicely.
 
Beendare said:
Ryan,
All I ask is you give me some credit when this idea sells like crazy. grin

1) You could do what I did; I made my tipi with short walls that attach just inside the drip line. The sweet spot is about 12"-20". the problem with tipis is they swoop low to the ground and that outside perimeter is unusable. Raise the canopy, add a short wall [with some ventilation] and its still super light and strong.

2) Your Courthouse design is pretty good but as a base camp tent it will function better if it was fully or partially made from breathable material. Maybe the roof a lighter grade of canvas and wall silnylon...or vice versa. I bet most use the Courthouse as a base camp tent...thus it doesn't have to be ultra light....just not the 60# blob of a big wall tent.

I really like the internal frame of my wall tent....something like that with the courthouse would be nice.
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I stayed in my redcliff on a small cot last fall and had this same thought.
 
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