How to read terrain to plan Elk hunting trip?

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Okay I think I've narrowed down Unit 14 in Colorado for were I would like to hunt for 2016 Elk archery season. I have several questions of how to pick what trail head and area to hunt. I'm not asking for anyone's personal hunting area or honey hole. I'm just wanting to know what to look for in good Elk hunting areas. I'm looking at probably doing a bivy style hunt. I will setup a spike camp and hunt from areas around there.

How do you read the best terrain? Google Earth? Trail Maps?

Look for dark timber? What is dark timber?

Hunt around streams or lakes?

What tells you where you should setup camp and start scouting finding Elk?

What is the best source of information about Units? Like are ATV's allowed? I prefer an area with no ATV access. I think Unit 14 does not allow ATV's???

Keep in mind I have to plan this from Indiana. So the internet and making phone calls are my only sources of information. I appreciate any and all help.
 
Search for my earlier post to Finch RE his upcoming backcountry hunt, one of my posts discusses Hill Map and MyTopo. Great resources.

Good luck!

JL
 
GotDraw? that is some awesome info. I appreciate the help.

So when you pick a place on a map to hunt do you always stay on the trails? I know you start at a trail head but do you pick a ridge off that trail to hunt and setup camp? So looking at the maps do I just pick a good place to setup camp in the middle of the country then hunt around it?
 
I routinely toggle back and forth between topo maps and Google Earth aerials. GE won't show you how steep things are with any accuracy, and topos won't show you accurate ground cover vegetation.

Dark timber is typically timber on a north facing aspect. A NE facing aspect will be your densest timber of any slope. Southern aspects are thinner because the slopes are drier (relatively speaking of course). As a general rule, I look for bedding areas on a northern aspect.

I don't really center my efforts around water at all. It just needs to be there.

I choose a camp site after all else is considered.

I look for:
A mile distance from a road
Benches about 2/3 the way up a ridge
Saddles along ridgetops
Meadows, bigger is not always better. Little pocket meadows on a spur ridge are what I really like.

I would recommend you go in with an open mind and don't try to fit a square peg in a round hole. If you don't find elk or any fresh sign, but the country looks great, go somewhere else and find elk. If you need to move camp, move camp. I've moved complete mountain ranges before and was glad I did. Have plans A, B, C, D, and E lined up going in.

Good luck!
 
GotDraw? that is some awesome info. I appreciate the help.

So when you pick a place on a map to hunt do you always stay on the trails? I know you start at a trail head but do you pick a ridge off that trail to hunt and setup camp? So looking at the maps do I just pick a good place to setup camp in the middle of the country then hunt around it?

Use trails to get around efficiently, but don't be afraid to get off of them either.

We camp very close to our hunting areas, but we also have very good noise discipline and keep our disturbance to a minimum.
 
Xcutter,

Sage advice from Jason Snyder... heed it.

Get Elk Nuts "Play Book" and calling DVDs. Learn/Practice calling and when/how to call. Buy mouth reeds and practice playing music with them like a kazoo with the radio in your car. Once you can really play songs, then calling will be easier. Don't bother with the Hoochie Mama squeeze call, it's too easy to blow a bad note.

Learn to navigate! This is key to confidence, keeps anxiety low.

Trace streams on your topos to where the topo lines indicate flatter areas, the stream will slow and the ground will be boggy, this is good terrain. Possible wallow area. Find grassy meadows, glass them thoroughly before entering. Try not to walk through the middle, where you will be seen. Walk the perimeter or in the trees on the perimeter if possible.

Use Mytopo or HillMap to pick your target areas using their aerial photos/topo overlay tools. Get off the main trails if you can, you will sometimes use elk trails to move through thick. Elk are strong, but they prefer not to work hard either when possible, so you will find their trails. If using a mule to haul gear up, find a flat spot up high, but near a main man-made trail and water. If you are backpacking and hauling all your own gear, then some of the info below won't apply. In that case, I'd say get yourselves up high in elevation, the first day. Glass from a ridge that afternoon/evening to search for activity and pick your direction. Second morning pack it all up, start moving and hunting. If bivy backpacking w/o a base camp and planned hunt areas are in steep terrain, consider hammock camping.

We are off trail 99+% of the time. We go for days away from base camp and see no one. My brother and I pretty much ONLY use human made trails to gain initial altitude and/or get up the mountain with mules. After that, we navigate. In CO, we base camp high, 10,500-11,500, within close proximity to water, this is usually not on a ridge due to the way water flows. We are typically in a high bowl or a bench in a drainage/draw, short walk from water. Hauling water sucks when you're beat. We use mules/packers to get our gear camp gear up to altitude, set camp a hundred yards or more from the trail (mule & Water accessible). Then send mules back down the mtn w/the packer. Base camp tent is a 6 man with two large vestibules. We set an electric bear fence that I built around the camp. Food that is hermetically sealed is kept within the perimeter of our fence, but off the ground to keep vermin out. No food ever in the tent. Waste- hung in a tree away from camp.

Once base camp is set, we haul/filter many gallons of water while we are fresh and feeling good. Base camp has a 4L gravity bag filter system (Sawyer/it's awesome). We use collapsible water jugs from REI they are cheap and pretty light, fold almost flat, hold about 2-3 gallons each. When out on a hunt we use a mini pump filter. Always carry a pre-filter for your system.

In addition to a base camp tent, we go up with hammocks/tarps, bivy bags and a two man tent. Taking what seems appropriate for our 2-5 day circuits from base camp. Hammocks are the real deal. If I only had one to type of tent system to choose, it would be a hammock w/a large tarp (8.5ftx11ft). We hunt in the steep, where others aren't and set camp at night pretty much wherever we are but away from the elk we've been after. Often it's too steep to set a tent anywhere we go, unless you want to hike an hour in the dark back to a bench. But- there are always trees, so hammocks work great. Early archery season is warm enough usually that we don't carry under quilts for the hammocks your sleeping bag pad is plenty. Late season at 11-12k feet you may need one.

We eat MRE's. Already hydrated and ready to eat, you don't have to use water, boil water, cook, etc. Yes, they are heavier, but we find the trade off fair. We "Field strip" all meal packages weeks before the season, tossing the: outer wrapper, heater pack, pouch w/toilet paper, spoon, cardboard boxes that hold meals, then write on the plastic wrapper for the main course w/a sharpie marker what type of meal it is. Wrap tape around all the meal components to hold them together. Double the tape back at the end to leave a pull tab so it's easy to get them apart. We use nylon strapping tape. We eat them cold, cooking takes too much effort and time. Many nights, you're so exhausted that you just want to collapse w/o eating, but you have to. Get a long handled spoon, it's the only tool you'll need. MREs weigh about 1 lb per meal when stripped down. We don't bring a stove, pot or mugs when we're in the field hunting. They stay at base camp.

Hope this helps!
JL
 
I have hunted unit 14 every year since 1984. Lots of beetle kill area and also huge areas where fire went thru. Don't get turned off by amount of vehicles at landings, probably half of them are just hikers and bikers. They will just stick to trail and not be a bother.Plenty of water down low to filter but water sometimes a little hard to find up high.
 
I won't be much help but I was looking at unit 14 as one of my spots as well. I did notice a TON of blowdown in the north central part of that unit north of seedhouse I believe it was. Just watch out for that.

I'm jealous that you have a unit picked. I leave the first part of September and haven't picked one yet. I have it narrowed down to several but I'll get a primary and couple back-up places to hunt before long. I've emailed a couple of the Area managers for those units to get more info. Not sure if you know but while on the CO hunting atlas map, you can click on the units and get this info. Good luck!
 
Hunt around streams or lakes?



Keep in mind I have to plan this from Indiana. So the internet and making phone calls are my only sources of information. I appreciate any and all help.

My two cents... lakes look really nice but they attract hikers and fisherman. Neither of which elk like. So look for drainages without lakes.
 
toddb I've been trying to send you a PM all morning. Can't seem to send PM's. I don't know why. I would like to send you some coordinates to see what you think about the location I'm thinking about hunting. See if your familiar with it. Questions like are you able to glass there? Not looking to find out your honey holes.
 
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