How many hammockers do we have here?

I have a cheap hammock from walmart that I play with from time to time. I took it last fall on a turkey hunt in my day bag. I ate a hot lunch and stretched it out between 2 trees and had one heck of a nap. It was pretty warm actually unusually warm that day. in the mid 60's so it was tailor made for it. I've never done any big trips with one in less than ideal weather . Mostly just overnighters in mild weather. i don't have any of the undequilts and such.
 
I'm a hammocker. I've done (2) week long back country hunting trips and an entire white tail season (every weekend) in my Warbonnet Ridgerunner hammock, plus a bunch of experimental nights at the house.

I've tried a gathered end hammock and couldn't get comfortable. I get some knee hyper extention and calf ridge, which I can fix with a pillow under my knees, but the deal breaker was not being able to sleep comfortably on my side in it. My knees and shoulders end up a bit higher than my hips, which becomes very uncomfortable for my hips. I just don't have a lot of flexibility in my hips. I've experimented with various setups to alleviate it, but was unsuccessful.

I don't have these issues with the Ridgerunner. It provides a very flat, comfortable lay, when I'm on my back. I do have some issues with side sleeping. I end up with too much pressure on my shoulder and the down side arm, even with a thick pillow, which causes my shoulder/arm to go numb after a while. But, it's so comfortable on my back that I can sleep well for the shortened hunting sleep hours I usually get.

I've been experimenting with it recently to try to alleviate my shoulder issues and found that a custom 32" head end spreader bar loosens the fabric at my torso and creates a cradle for my body when I'm on my side and I can lean my back into it and still be on my side completely supported without any shoulder numbness. This creates some mild shoulder squeeze when on my back, but it doesn't cause me any issues.

I purchased a set of Rota Locura Carbon Fiber spreader bars for my hammock and dropped the spreader bar weight from 12 oz down to 5.5 oz. I toyed with the idea of using my hiking poles as spreader bars, but I like having them to use with my tarp in porch mode when the weather is nice or as tarp spreader bars in the side pullouts when I'm hunkered down in nasty weather to provide more room inside my tarp. My poles are also the lightest adjustable poles I've seen on the market at 12 oz for the set, but they are only a 2 piece and can't go short enough for the foot end. So I would have to get new 3-piece adjustable poles in order to have a short enough set for my feet and the lightest I could find is about 17 oz, which is the same weight as my current poles plus CF spreader bars and I loose functionality of porch mode and tarp spreader bars.

I have a double layer 1.1D with bug net, woopies/suspension and CF spreader bars that weighs in at 33 oz.
I also have a single layer 1.9D Multicam no bug net, with woopies/suspension and CF spreader bars that weights in at 24 oz.

I use a 12' cuben fiber tarp with doors from Hammock Gear. This setup has weathered several rain storms, sleet and heavy fog and kept myself and my gear totally dry.

My insulation setup has evolved over the past year. I started with a long/wide NeoAir Extherm and an old 15 degree North Face Blue Kazoo sleeping bag. I've taken that setup down into the teens and been fairly comfortable. I then replaced the Blue Kazoo with a 20 degree EE Revelation top quilt. It was a little harder to stay warm with that combination because it was easy to break the seal between the top quilt and the pad when I shifted. Although, it was simple to fix...I'd wake up with a cold spot and just have to tuck myself in again, it was just mildly annoying. I recommend if you are going to use a pad, then stick with a sleeping bag. Those work a bit better together.

I now have a 0 degree Warbonnet Yeti for an underquilt in lieu of the pad. This is a torso length underquilt made for their gathered end hammocks. It works well for the Ridgerunner if you install it reversed with the head end (with the tag) at your knees. I've had this setup down into the single digits and I've been comfortable (I'm a warm sleeper). I use a cut up Ridgerest sit pad for my feet where the Yeti doesn't provide coverage.

Some of the benefits I've found over the year of hammock camping are the following:
- The ability to stay drier in wet weather
- Little to no condensation on my tarp
- Easy camp selection and setup
- Sleeping comfort
- Sitting comfort (I don't have a lot of flexibility in my hips, so sitting on the ground is not very comfortable for me. Sitting indian style is the worst.)
- Gear and body off of the ground and away from the mice and other little critters
- Packs smaller if you use an underquilt instead of a pad
- No blowing up a pad if you use an underquilt

Some of the negatives I've found over the year of hammock camping are the following:
- Mild weight penalty (probably around a half pound depending on ground setup)
- Condensation on my top quilt from my breath. (This should be a problem with ground sleeping as well, but I've never had the issue, I suspect because I sleep mostly on my side. I think I may have fixed this problem with the custom spreader bar allowing me to sleep on my side more and consequently not having my breath settle back down on my quilt, but it's not cold enough yet to verify.)
- Steeper learning curve in the beginning
- More expensive
- No stove (although I've seen stove setups in a hammock tarp, the weight penalty is massive and would only be feasible for a base camp or car camping)

For me the additional comfort far outweighs the negatives above. I'm very pleased with this setup and don't foresee ever going back to ground, unless I'm forced to camp in a desert or above the tree line.

But, ya gotta hike your own hike. So, I hope this helps.

Cheers,

Robert
 
I starting hanging with a $20 parachute hammock, 9' Noah's tarp, and DIY underquilt made from 2 poncho liners. This setup worked, but had room for improvement. This year I'll be sleeping in a JRB bridge hammock at base camp. A Hennesey hex tarp with 2qZq doors added will keep me dry and a HG 0* Incubator underquilt will keep my backside warm. It's a very comfortable and warm.

BP
 
I'm a hammocker. I've done (2) week long back country hunting trips and an entire white tail season (every weekend) in my Warbonnet Ridgerunner hammock, plus a bunch of experimental nights at the house.

I've tried a gathered end hammock and couldn't get comfortable. I get some knee hyper extention and calf ridge, which I can fix with a pillow under my knees, but the deal breaker was not being able to sleep comfortably on my side in it. My knees and shoulders end up a bit higher than my hips, which becomes very uncomfortable for my hips. I just don't have a lot of flexibility in my hips. I've experimented with various setups to alleviate it, but was unsuccessful.

I don't have these issues with the Ridgerunner. It provides a very flat, comfortable lay, when I'm on my back. I do have some issues with side sleeping. I end up with too much pressure on my shoulder and the down side arm, even with a thick pillow, which causes my shoulder/arm to go numb after a while. But, it's so comfortable on my back that I can sleep well for the shortened hunting sleep hours I usually get.

I've been experimenting with it recently to try to alleviate my shoulder issues and found that a custom 32" head end spreader bar loosens the fabric at my torso and creates a cradle for my body when I'm on my side and I can lean my back into it and still be on my side completely supported without any shoulder numbness. This creates some mild shoulder squeeze when on my back, but it doesn't cause me any issues.

I purchased a set of Rota Locura Carbon Fiber spreader bars for my hammock and dropped the spreader bar weight from 12 oz down to 5.5 oz. I toyed with the idea of using my hiking poles as spreader bars, but I like having them to use with my tarp in porch mode when the weather is nice or as tarp spreader bars in the side pullouts when I'm hunkered down in nasty weather to provide more room inside my tarp. My poles are also the lightest adjustable poles I've seen on the market at 12 oz for the set, but they are only a 2 piece and can't go short enough for the foot end. So I would have to get new 3-piece adjustable poles in order to have a short enough set for my feet and the lightest I could find is about 17 oz, which is the same weight as my current poles plus CF spreader bars and I loose functionality of porch mode and tarp spreader bars.

I have a double layer 1.1D with bug net, woopies/suspension and CF spreader bars that weighs in at 33 oz.
I also have a single layer 1.9D Multicam no bug net, with woopies/suspension and CF spreader bars that weights in at 24 oz.

I use a 12' cuben fiber tarp with doors from Hammock Gear. This setup has weathered several rain storms, sleet and heavy fog and kept myself and my gear totally dry.

My insulation setup has evolved over the past year. I started with a long/wide NeoAir Extherm and an old 15 degree North Face Blue Kazoo sleeping bag. I've taken that setup down into the teens and been fairly comfortable. I then replaced the Blue Kazoo with a 20 degree EE Revelation top quilt. It was a little harder to stay warm with that combination because it was easy to break the seal between the top quilt and the pad when I shifted. Although, it was simple to fix...I'd wake up with a cold spot and just have to tuck myself in again, it was just mildly annoying. I recommend if you are going to use a pad, then stick with a sleeping bag. Those work a bit better together.

I now have a 0 degree Warbonnet Yeti for an underquilt in lieu of the pad. This is a torso length underquilt made for their gathered end hammocks. It works well for the Ridgerunner if you install it reversed with the head end (with the tag) at your knees. I've had this setup down into the single digits and I've been comfortable (I'm a warm sleeper). I use a cut up Ridgerest sit pad for my feet where the Yeti doesn't provide coverage.

Some of the benefits I've found over the year of hammock camping are the following:
- The ability to stay drier in wet weather
- Little to no condensation on my tarp
- Easy camp selection and setup
- Sleeping comfort
- Sitting comfort (I don't have a lot of flexibility in my hips, so sitting on the ground is not very comfortable for me. Sitting indian style is the worst.)
- Gear and body off of the ground and away from the mice and other little critters
- Packs smaller if you use an underquilt instead of a pad
- No blowing up a pad if you use an underquilt

Some of the negatives I've found over the year of hammock camping are the following:
- Mild weight penalty (probably around a half pound depending on ground setup)
- Condensation on my top quilt from my breath. (This should be a problem with ground sleeping as well, but I've never had the issue, I suspect because I sleep mostly on my side. I think I may have fixed this problem with the custom spreader bar allowing me to sleep on my side more and consequently not having my breath settle back down on my quilt, but it's not cold enough yet to verify.)
- Steeper learning curve in the beginning
- More expensive
- No stove (although I've seen stove setups in a hammock tarp, the weight penalty is massive and would only be feasible for a base camp or car camping)

For me the additional comfort far outweighs the negatives above. I'm very pleased with this setup and don't foresee ever going back to ground, unless I'm forced to camp in a desert or above the tree line.

But, ya gotta hike your own hike. So, I hope this helps.

Cheers,

Robert


We don't need to stinking trees!

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I have a GT skeeter beeter pro and a fox outfitters double and their UL hammocks. I also have the Warbonnet superfly. Still haven't taken them hunting yet.
 
My Warbonnet superfly and EE underquilt will both be showing up tomorrow, sweet! Time to get them dialed in and I'm going to hang this year for archery season hunts. My underquilt is 30* synthetic, if I find its not doing the job down the road Ill get a 10 or 20 degree down underquilt.

I went out scouting this last weekend for 2 nights, used the Warbonnet ridgerunner with a BA UL insulated air core pad between the layers and a 20 degree EE quilt. I cooked!... but I was comfortable position wise. Really digging the hammock so far.
 
Another hammock fan here. I also have a warbonnet rig, ridge runner hammock, lynx underquilt, superfly tarp. I absolutely love this set up and can't recommend it enough. I've done a few backcountry hunts in the east and many recreational trips. The only issue I could imagine would be lack of trees (desert, above treeline etc...). It's crazy comfortable and I easily sleep on my side. However, I don't move very much when I'm hanging (I toss and turn all night in a bed). I've actually slept over a small stream and many times on steep banks where no tent or bivy would work. Most advantageous and disadvantages have already been discussed I'll only add my biggest issue is staying warm. I sleep very cold so, I add extra insulation and manage without issue. I'd like to see Kifaru or another high end hunting gear supplier enter the market, I believe they could design the ultimate hanging bivy but that's for another thread...2 cents
 
Just got out this weekend in my Warbonnet RidgeRunner. I slept great no issues and it was very relaxing being off the ground. I used a Qcore Wide/Long Pad as my insulation layer and used my EE quilt on top. worked great. Slept under a 10x10 custom tarp all in Multicam. It rained most of the night and I stayed dry and warm. I will definitely be using the Hammock this year.





 
Another note about the Bridge Hammock you lay pretty flat in this thing. I was able to sleep on my side and my stomach with not to much issue at all. I only inflated my Qcore pad up maybe a 1/4 of the way which is what is recommended. The Bridge hammock is a bit more tipy then a regular hammock but it comes with an increase in comfort for anyone who sleeps on their side or stomach. Took me about an hour of adjusting around in the hammock to get my center down with it but once you know how the hammock moves and what you can and cant do with it, it wasnt an issue getting in and out of it. I even got up at 3 am to take a leak and had no issue getting in and out even half asleep. Very impressed. This coming from a larger guy 6 foot 235 lbs who isnt the most coordinated person in the world. If anyone can flip a hammock it would be me but I didnt have a single issue.
 
I have a Dream hammock with a tarp from Arrowhead-equipment. I had my hammock made a bit large, so I can move around at night. I plan on using it on some solo hunting and scouting trips. Super comfortable. I am experimenting with different under quilts but I think I am getting temp ranges figured out. Things like polar fleece socks and a hat make a big difference in a hammock in cooler weather.
 
What do you hammock guys do out in the rolling hills with literally nothing to hang on. This is my only dilemma on not getting one. Other wise I'm really interested into the blackbird xlc
 
What do you hammock guys do out in the rolling hills with literally nothing to hang on. This is my only dilemma on not getting one. Other wise I'm really interested into the blackbird xlc

I dont typically have that issue where I hunt/backpack/camp at. If no trees in an area then I take my Tent out. Otherwise if Trees arnt an issue then its hanging out in the woods for me. =) They do make a few hammocks that crossover as tents also. or such as the Ridge Runner you can set that up on the ground also and just use it like a Bug Bivy. But if I know I wont have access to trees then im taking my Golite Hex 3 out.
 
What do you hammock guys do out in the rolling hills with literally nothing to hang on. This is my only dilemma on not getting one. Other wise I'm really interested into the blackbird xlc

Well it depends on the situation. I've made a portable hammock stand that I use for occasions like that but, even though it's portable, it's not something I'm going to take backpacking. If it's a base camp from the truck it works great, and I'll throw it in if I'm unsure of the tree situation.

As was mentioned before, you can set a hammock up as a bug bivy and just use your tarp set up above it using your trekking poles but at that point it isn't as ideal as a tent IMO. If I'm hunting there, I typically know the terrain and circumstances ahead of time and plan accordingly. If it isn't a hammock friendly area I have no problem using a tent, a hammock is just my preference when I can. More often than not I can find places to hang a hammock that wouldn't be suitable for a tent (hillside, above a rock or creek, etc.) I like the added versatility they provide. As with anything, it's one more option in my gear bag to make my outings more enjoyable.
 
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