How important (or not) is it to have a Rem 700 action trued and(or?) blueprinted?

Will truing and (or?) blueprinting a Remington 700 action make a big difference in accuracy?

  • Yes, without truing and/or blueprinting the action, accuracy will most likely suffer badly.

    Votes: 1 4.5%
  • Maybe, it should improve accuracy somewhat, but it won't be hugely better.

    Votes: 16 72.7%
  • No, that kind of thing might matter on a competition bench gun, but for a hunting gun, meh.

    Votes: 5 22.7%

  • Total voters
    22
You’re not alone in such situations. Every year it comes up for someone and I’ve chased problems with a top tier barrel until I finally cut my losses and walked away from the entire gun - two decades later I still get heartburn thinking about how expensive the barrel installation was and accuracy no better than what came from the factory.
every company has the occasional dud.
I recently had a C6 barrel that wouldn't shoot. After checking the usual suspects to no avail, I slugged the barrel and found the bore was TIGHT just ahead of the throat.
I sent it back and they agreed and warrantied it.
@NorthIdahoDude you could have it slugged to rule out the bore.
 
every company has the occasional dud.
I recently had a C6 barrel that wouldn't shoot. After checking the usual suspects to no avail, I slugged the barrel and found the bore was TIGHT just ahead of the throat.
I sent it back and they agreed and warrantied it.
@NorthIdahoDude you could have it slugged to rule out the bore.
Yes slugging the bore is a useful technique that’s not used as much as it could be.
 
Like others have said, it depends and it’s not always needed. Seems like you know how to reload, and don’t take this personal, but what are your best groups with other rifles you have reloaded for?

With everything you’ve tried, it’s likely the barrel may not be delivering.
 
Like others have said, it depends and it’s not always needed. Seems like you know how to reload, and don’t take this personal, but what are your best groups with other rifles you have reloaded for?

With everything you’ve tried, it’s likely the barrel may not be delivering.
Also, what are your three shot groups looking like?
 
Seems like you know how to reload, and don’t take this personal, but what are your best groups with other rifles you have reloaded for?

No worries, I got thicker skin than that, hahah. I'd say I am fair to middling, LOL (this is not my best, but was handy to link here).

 
Also, what are your three shot groups looking like?
Have not made it to the three shot group point with this gun. That's for guns that I already know shoot straight. That said, I did two groups of five last time out, and the first three shots set the extreme on one, and we're almost extreme on the other. So, over an inch for 2 in a row.
 
OK, I think we've talked enough/got enough responses, I'm convinced, it's probably not the lack of truing of the receiver causing my issues (or at least, truing the receiver isn't likely to make it a 3/4 MOA gun). Back to the manufacturer for inspection the 30-06 barrel goes.

In the meantime, I've got a 6.5 Creedmoor Remage on the shelf I was saving for a short action 700-clone I will probably pick up someday, that I'm pretty sure will go bang just fine bolted to a long action. :)
 
So much of what you write now makes sense.
Thanks as does your overzealous appreciation for bullets that do not maintain their weight and fly into pieces. These are groups made by 2 of the barrels fitted to my Remington 700 switch barreled rifle. Yes both got the make it hot treatment. Obviously causing no issues.

 
You’re not alone in such situations. Every year it comes up for someone and I’ve chased problems with a top tier barrel until I finally cut my losses and walked away from the entire gun - two decades later I still get heartburn thinking about how expensive the barrel installation was and accuracy no better than what came from the factory.
What is really impressive is how many factory rifles today are tackdrivers. What you can get over the counter nowadays is something we paid good money for good gunsmithing in the past.
 
What made you arrive at the conclusion that you can stress relieve steel this way? I’ve read some wild stuff on gun forums and I gotta say this is way up there.
So heating and allowing steel to cool slowly is not a method of stress relief? Admittedly I doubt I get the barrel to even 500 degrees but I have seen this done by others. Tell me how exactly is stress relief accomplished?
 
What is really impressive is how many factory rifles today are tackdrivers. What you can get over the counter nowadays is something we paid good money for good gunsmithing in the past.
To be fair, they have gotten better than they were 'back in the day'. But still, I'd wager that no more than 2 out of 5 off-the-shelf rifles are capable of putting 30 rounds inside a 1 inch circle, not even if you mounted them in a state of the art machine rest and fed them premium handloads. There are a few brands that are exceptions to that, but I'd give them no more than 3 out of 5, LOL.
 
To be fair, they have gotten better than they were 'back in the day'. But still, I'd wager that no more than 2 out of 5 off-the-shelf rifles are capable of putting 30 rounds inside a 1 inch circle, not even if you mounted them in a state of the art machine rest and fed them premium handloads. There are a few brands that are exceptions to that, but I'd give them no more than 3 out of 5, LOL.
Heck 3 out of 5! I remember when a factory rifle that consistantly put 5 shots into 1.5 inches was considered finely accurate. There were a bunch of 2" groups shooters people were happy with, nowadays sighting in using 2" group shooting rifle would have us fighting our scope adjustments. Bullets have improved considerably along with the processes used to make barrels. I wonder how many shooters are out there that could put 30 shots in a 1" circle over the time it would take to keep the barrel cool and shoot all those shots?
 
So heating and allowing steel to cool slowly is not a method of stress relief? Admittedly I doubt I get the barrel to even 500 degrees but I have seen this done by others. Tell me how exactly is stress relief accomplished?
Stress relief happens in the red hot area not probably sub 500 degrees when you really have zero idea how hot it’s getting. Where did you come up with whatever arbitrary number of patches to push to stress relief it? Try 1000-1200 degrees for a heat treat. F class guys shoot often 20+ shot strings and do they talk about the ability to stress relieve their barrel? Absolutely not. If your tube has already been stress relived once and now it’s been bored, chambered, and crowned you can forget about making a meaningful difference. This is the most shade tree gunsmithing I’ve ever heard of.
 
Heck 3 out of 5! I remember when a factory rifle that consistantly put 5 shots into 1.5 inches was considered finely accurate. There were a bunch of 2" groups shooters people were happy with, nowadays sighting in using 2" group shooting rifle would have us fighting our scope adjustments. Bullets have improved considerably along with the processes used to make barrels. I wonder how many shooters are out there that could put 30 shots in a 1" circle over the time it would take to keep the barrel cool and shoot all those shots?


I bet a real quick “how is steel stress relieved” google search would answer that.
 
Stress relief happens in the red hot area not probably sub 500 degrees when you really have zero idea how hot it’s getting. Where did you come up with whatever arbitrary number of patches to push to stress relief it? Try 1000-1200 degrees for a heat treat. F class guys shoot often 20+ shot strings and do they talk about the ability to stress relieve their barrel? Absolutely not. If your tube has already been stress relived once and now it’s been bored, chambered, and crowned you can forget about making a meaningful difference. This is the most shade tree gunsmithing I’ve ever heard of.
Well then i am heating up the barrel for the pure joy of pulling the trigger. Getting a barrel hot and cleaning it can't hurt anything. By the way you should try it. Haven't seen any tight groups you have posted.
 
Funny it says something about getting steel hot and letting it cool naturally.

Yes it does, but it’s more like run it up to temp, let it soak at temp for a fairly long period of time, then let it cool. Not exactly your process. They say “The devil is in the details” but what do I know? ;)
 
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