Hha/spot Hogg tapes

[golfbum]

Anyone interested in trading some tapes?

I need the 44-50 tapes (47-49 to be more specific). I have several unused sheets for faster or slower setups depending on what you need.

I also have an unused book of spot Hogg tapes I would trade.

Let me know

Tetra/king pin tapes are the ones I am looking for.

 

[Billy Goat]

You can manually put your sight marks in AA and print a sight tape. They don't have hha as a sight you can select, however you can select inch (or metric) and measure between marks that you establish at chosen distances and it will print tapes off of those marks.

Might be easier than tracking anything down. I think it's like $12 for a year of AA.

 

[golfbum]

Thanks.

I have used Archers Advantage in the past, just have a lot of tapes I won’t ever use and hoping to get a few pre made backups that I can trade.

 

[golfbum]

ttt

 

[hunt-n-ski]

You can manually put your sight marks in AA and print a sight tape.

I don't see any way to do this using AA. Can you explain how? Note that I'm using the browser version of AA since I'm on a Mac.

 

[Billy Goat]

I don't see any way to do this using AA. Can you explain how? Note that I'm using the browser version of AA since I'm on a Mac.

Under setup, go to sight configuration. There's a list of sights you can choose from, with an HHA I think you would need to just use the Inch and measure between 2 marks with calibers. You will want to sight in at 20, then sight in at 50, 60,77, 80 or whatever yards. Put a mark for that. Remove the tape you were using to put marks on, then measure between the marks with calipers and put that into AA.

Just make sure that you have your yards correct in the program for your second sight in distance. Also, make sure you are shooting on flat ground.

 

[hunt-n-ski]

Yes, I've put inch on the sight configuration page. But on the sight in page there are only dialogs to put in two marks (generally 20 yards and one other). How can you enter more than one?

 

[Billy Goat]

Yes, I've put inch on the sight configuration page. But on the sight in page there are only dialogs to put in two marks (generally 20 yards and one other). How can you enter more than one?View attachment 442486

I'm not following. You sight in at 2 different yards. You can decide how far, but it's 20 followed by whatever you choose. Then you input 0 for 20, and whatever the measured distance is for whatever yard you had chosen.


You don't have to use 20 as the first mark, you can go shorter or longer, however you depending on a few factors you don't want to be inside of 16/18 yards as your arrow can still be traveling up to your sight line. Mine usually peak at 16 yards, sometimes 15. My 20 yard mark is usually 11 yards. So not too close, and not far enough that you can't shoot it really well and be dead on.

 

[hunt-n-ski]

I guess I misunderstood your original comment "You can manually put your sight marks in AA and print a sight tape." What I want to do is enter the tape offsets for say 40, 60, 80, and 100 yards (relative to 20) and then have AA print a tape that best fits those. Perhaps then AA would get a better estimate of the velocity (and internally the drag coefficient).

 

[Billy Goat]

I guess I misunderstood your original comment "You can manually put your sight marks in AA and print a sight tape." What I want to do is enter the tape offsets for say 40, 60, 80, and 100 yards (relative to 20) and then have AA print a tape that best fits those. Perhaps then AA would get a better estimate of the velocity (and internally the drag coefficient).

Why do you need all those inputs?

Arrows don't vary that much, even if an arrow rapidly slows by 70 or 80 yards, the fluctuation of velocity won't make hardly any changes in the tape. If you are seeing variations it's likely from shooter input, like sliding your anchor at some point.

 

[hunt-n-ski]

I'm pretty sure my velocity is over 280 ft/sec (it crono'd between 281 and 285), so AA's solution of 271 ft/sec just seems way off. I don't see how AA can solve for both the velocity and drag coefficient using just one gap (the drag depends on vane, offset/helical, altitude, etc). Just for fun, I wrote my own program to compute the pin gaps and its a bit different from AA at longer distances. I was hoping to print my tape using AA but don't see how I can input it.

 

[Billy Goat]

I'm pretty sure my velocity is over 280 ft/sec (it crono'd between 281 and 285), so AA's solution of 271 ft/sec just seems way off. I don't see how AA can solve for both the velocity and drag coefficient using just one gap (the drag depends on vane, offset/helical, altitude, etc). Just for fun, I wrote my own program to compute the pin gaps and its a bit different from AA at longer distances. I was hoping to print my tape using AA but don't see how I can input it.

Likely because they don't need to solve for both, the velocity they are calculating is already mostly solving for it. I don't think the BC of an arrow becomes anything major in regards to a difference in velocity til you get out there past 90, probably past 100 yards. For my 3d setup, 10 fps is almost 3/4 inch at 41 yards. It was no more, kinda measured closer to 5/8, but I call it 3/4. Velocity is the most important thing in drop with an arrow, then you have the drag factors of arrow/point diameter, fletching drag slowing it down, plus the mass of the arrow helping it maintain. All in all, ain't none of them that great. Some just suck less.

I'm not saying I'm right, but at 50 yards I think worrying about the bc of an arrow is about like worrying what a bullet would be doing at 250. You can correct easier with a velocity change in your inputs to 400 yards with a bullet instead of being worried if it's a .325 or .388 bc. Because if you take a half distance, you likely can't tell the difference.

Point being, you put a bunch of helical on an arrow, get out to 70 yards, it's going to be impacting like an arrow with less helical or offset that left the bow slower. What's the difference in application? I don't think their is, except the heavy helical might actually impact 1/2" higher at 33 yards, but nobody can shoot good enough to tell. It takes me a shooting machine to be able to determine little differences.