HHA makes a great sight. for some reason they are underrated and dont get as much pub as black gold and spot hogg which means you can often pick them up for great deals used. Ive had multple optimzers lites, ultras and had a optimizer kingpin over tthe years. only complaint with the optimizer lite and ultras was you sometimes needed to get a quiver bracket to get your quiver close. you also needed a seperate 2nd and 3rd axis part but they are cheap. the optimizer kingpin I used for years with the swappable wheels for different arrows, that was a great feature. Ive only moved on to spot hogg and have a tommy hogg and fast eddie on my backup and primary bc I really like the double pins. Maybe bc they are a midwest company they looked down upon? The tetras do seem like a step up in features. The only black gold i had failed the dial got stuck i'll never use one again. you seem to pay a durability penalty with them in order to save a couple ounces.