Help with 3 options - to reload or not to reload

farmer14

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Hey gents, looking for some advice in the path forward in preparation for a bull elk hunt for my son.

He has a Tikka 6.5 Creedmoor (20” barrel) with a suppressor. He shot a cow elk with it last winter. Even at 9 years old he is pretty dang proficient with firearms and he is not scared of recoil. We train and train and train just like My old man (former PD/long distance shooter/OG) had me do when I was younger before long distance shooting was cool. I don’t know if you’d actually call it long distance nowadays, but 25 years ago it certainly was.

My end goal: a projectile with a little more energy that he can shoot at 500-600 yards (he shoots off of a very heavy tripod that dad carries). In this unit sometimes you have no options but to shoot that far.

We are using off the shelf hornady eld x 143 grain with 2527 fps at the muzzle. I am very familiar with the area and bull elk in this particular unit are tough as nails. For some reason cow elk in this unit go down like A ton of bricks. At 500 yards my app shows 1274 ft lb energy. That makes me nervous for him to take a poke that far.

I am an experienced reloader and would like to build a load for the 6.5 creed and be done. The catch: I only have about 1/4 of my reloading equipment due to a recent move.

Option 1: buy the needed equipment/components. Press, tumbler, and components I might be in around 5-600$. The other catch - I don’t have a lot of time on my hands (Wildland fire season is upon us).

Option 2: send my rifle to unknown munitions or some other reputable loading company and have them build a load. Solves the time issue. It’s not cheap (UM is around $1,000, I think) and paying that much for some thing I could do (albeit not as good) leaves me hesitant.

The question: would say 2-300 fps more get me the energy needed for a 5-600 yard shot? My worry is that I go down either of these routes and I don’t get the results I was looking for. I also dont want to sacrifice accuracy for something that screams down range. His tikka is under .5 MOA.

Option 3: buy a clone of his tikka 6.5 Creedmoor in a tikka 6.5 PRC. Drop it into his compact stock, stick the can on it, get off the shelf ammunition and be done with it. I’m positive this option would get me the energy I’m looking for at 5-600 yards. Bonus: I turn the 6.5 creed into a 6 mm Creedmoor for a deer gun.

What say you? TIA.
 
Sounds like option 1 is out. I'm not sure what option 2 gets you unless you're just trying to pick up some speed with the current rifle. I wouldn't do that unless you were not happy with the accuracy the factory ammo is giving you.

Option 3 is likely your best and most expensive option. The other thing is he's 9...I would buy him a 223 and let him shoot all he wants. Then I'd take him out before the hunt and shoot 3 shots with the 6.5prc. Just to let him know it's not going to hurt and what to expect. He'll never feel the recoil on an animal. The other option...buy/build a 6 prc or um, to me there is a difference between it and a 6.5prc.

Good luck and make sure you let us know what you end up deciding on.
 
Sounds like option 1 is out. I'm not sure what option 2 gets you unless you're just trying to pick up some speed with the current rifle. I wouldn't do that unless you were not happy with the accuracy the factory ammo is giving you.

Option 3 is likely your best and most expensive option. The other thing is he's 9...I would buy him a 223 and let him shoot all he wants. Then I'd take him out before the hunt and shoot 3 shots with the 6.5prc. Just to let him know it's not going to hurt and what to expect. He'll never feel the recoil on an animal. The other option...buy/build a 6 prc or um, to me there is a difference between it and a 6.5prc.

Good luck and make sure you let us know what you end up deciding on.
I am happy with the rifle and off the shelf ammunition but I need to squeeze just a little more velocity and energy out of it so that I’m confident in his shot out to 600.

I am looking at the UM loaded 6.5 Creed ammunition. Seems like it might do the trick.
 
I'd just keep shooting what works. Taking what you say at face value, you have a Tikka that shoots a good factory bullet under 0.5 MOA. At my elevation (3000 feet), you have a solid performer to 600 yards. At that range, a 143-grain ELDX will still be carrying at least 1800 FPS. Energy is not a reliable metric for effective performance (most energy requirements vastly overestimate how much energy is required to penetrate into an animal's vitals). I'd be far more concerned about your son's nerves with Dad and Grandpa watching him shoot at a bull than I would about the bullet not doing its job.

I would research the UM ammo very carefully before deciding to spend that kind of money. Some of their stuff seems stupidly hot.
 
I'd just keep shooting what works. Taking what you say at face value, you have a Tikka that shoots a good factory bullet under 0.5 MOA. At my elevation (3000 feet), you have a solid performer to 600 yards. At that range, a 143-grain ELDX will still be carrying at least 1800 FPS. Energy is not a reliable metric for effective performance (most energy requirements vastly overestimate how much energy is required to penetrate into an animal's vitals. I'd be far more concerned about your son's nerves with Dad and Grandpa watching him shoot at a bull than I would about the bullet not doing its job.

I would research the UM ammo very carefully before deciding to spend that kind of money. Some of their stuff seems stupidly hot.
3000 ft sounds like a dream. We are typically at 8000 ft elevation. We’ve hiked into the wilderness where we could hit 10k.
 
Has he been shooting that far?
If your going to be busy are you going to have time to practice with him?
 
This feels like bait.

Option 4 - Make a different hunt plan. Planning for a 9 or 10 year old kid to shoot over 500 yards with a light weight gun from a tripod is "optimistic" and asking for a shit show.
 
This feels like bait.

Option 4 - Make a different hunt plan. Planning for a 9 or 10 year old kid to shoot over 500 yards with a light weight gun from a tripod is "optimistic" and asking for a shit show.
I don’t even know what “this feels like bait means”
 
Thanks for all the help, gents. I think the over analysis comes from me not wanting to let my boy down. He more than does his part - kid was doing hill sprints yesterday so he was “ready for anything”.

I just want to make sure I’m thinking clearly, and with your help, sounds like I am!
 
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