Heel Slip Woes - Solution Found?

RCR

Lil-Rokslider
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I am one who has suffered with "ill fitting boots", "heel slip", and the resulting blisters for at least 10 years now. I noticed more and more problems after I started running regularly. I suspected my feet had changed in some way, but that the solution would be to find the right boot for my foot shape. I primarily used Danners for many years, until I started having my blister problems. I then went to Cabelas and tried just about every one of their Meindl boots. I did have luck with good fitting boots on 2 occasions, but both pairs had to be returned for quality issues. After my last return I decided to "upgrade" to a pair of Kennetrek Hardscrabble Hikers. I thought how can I go wrong with a $400 pair of boots? I just know I won't have issues if I spend that kind of money. Right? Well, I was wrong again.

I now have about 9 months in the boots, wearing them at least 2 times a week. You guessed it. I'm still having troubles with heal slip and blisters. As you can imagine, my frustration level has been VERY HIGH since I just don't have the $$$ to keep buying boots until I find one that doesn't cause these problems. I started to save for the Lathrop and Sons custom service, but that wasn't going to happen for me until next year. I decided to look locally here in the Denver area and see if there was something that could be done more affordably with my Kenetreks to get me through the year. Now comes the good part.

I found a place called The Custom Foot in Englewood ( http://thecustomfoot.com/ ) and took my boots and feet in for a consult this past weekend. The specialist (John) examined my feet and boots while listening to my woes. I was expecting a sales pitch for a pair of their $300-$400 pair of custom insoles and a new pair of boots. Instead he said I was the problem and not the boots, but I didn't need a lot to fix the problems. As it turns out, I don’t have as much flexibility in my calf as I should and that limits the ability of the foot to move with the boot when walking/hiking. I always thought heel slip happened because my foot was moving too much in the boot. As it turns out in my case, my foot isn’t moving enough with the boot when it is flexing. The cause is different, but the result is the same.

To wrap this up ... I walked out of the store with a new pair of $40 OTC insoles with better performance for my feet and their issues, the soles of my boots ground off in key points to provide more stability, and orders and instructions on how to stretch my calves. With labor for the services I walked out for about $85, MUCH less than a full custom footbed and boot system.

I'm certainly not an expert and say you have the same problems I do if you suffer the same problems,. I will say it is worth checking out if you have similar services nearby. I won't know for 3-4 weeks if the stretching and insoles help my situation, but the boots certainly felt much better when I was finished. I will post my progress and let you all know if this was a successful solution.

P.S. I have verified the boots are the correct size and I have also tried and used multiple combinations of moleskin, Leukotape, liner socks, and sock thickness/material/manufacture. I have found a combination of Leukotape, liner, and sock that has greatly reduced the severity of the blistering, but I still get the blisters. The blisters occur significantly more when climbing steeper terrain.
 

Firehawk

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Me too! I am getting frustrated with all of the insoles and socks I have purchased trying to get rid of blisters. Frustrated is an understatement actually. It actually affects my desire to do the things I love to do. Please let us know how this turns out. FH
 

husky390

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Great guys at the The Custom Foot. I've been fighting issues with boots for the past three years and could not find a pair that was comfortable. I finally threw in the towel and made an appointment with The Custom Foot yesterday. I brought in three pairs of boots I've been using, plus a set of Superfeet Carbon I've yet to try out. I met with John, he measured and examined my feet and he found I have a really bad problem with the way my feet land when I walk. He offered to modify the Superfeet for me for a modest fee to see if that would work but my patience for this is gone, especially with elk season right around the corner. I opted for him to make me insoles and went in today to have them made. After a couple of hours I have a brand new set of insoles and so far they feel great. My legs are sore as I'm now using muscles that I haven't used in a long while but I can already tell a huge difference in the way the Hanwags I bought yesterday from Neptune Mountaineering feel. They felt great yesterday and today they feel even better with the insoles.

One thing I did take away from my visit is if you are having problems, it's worth it to pay the consultation charge and have them properly measure your foot. There are too many people in the big box stores who don't know squat about measuring your foot and when dealing with these boots, the US size doesn't exactly translate to a European size.

Also, I went in yesterday skeptical and expecting them to push their insoles and a new pair of boots from them on me. Not once did they suggest any of their boots and I started talking custom insoles before they did. They were more than wiling to try and make the boots and insoles I have work for me.
 

cj5122.68

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For what it's worth- might try a Backpacking boot from OBOZ- Windriver 2 or Beartooth- both have a heel locking system that is second to none! and they are Great Boots!- Customer service is incredible as well- call them and explain your issues and let them help guide you- these aren't designated "Hunting" boots but I've used them over most of the boots you have mentioned and still go back to them.

CJ
 

Stid2677

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Great info,, have a look also a Tuf-Foot. Mushers here use it to harden dogs feet, but it is for people and horses as well. Pretreating my feet with Tuf-Foot and spraying them with Antiperspirant starting 10 days or so before a trip has been very effective at reducing blisters.
 
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RCR

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Well, I think it is about time for an update. I tried the Hardscrabble Hikers for a couple weeks after this post, using the new insoles and trying to stretch my muscles. I didn't see a big difference so I panicked (elk season 4-5 weeks away) and went back to Kenetrek to see if they would give me any money back on my boots so I could try something different. They didn't give me money back, but they gave me full credit towards a different pair of boots, plus a $50 fee for restocking or the exchange. Big picture is they were great to work with and treated me very fairly. I was looking to try the non-insulated Mountain Extremes, but they didn't expect to have them in stock in my size until Oct-Nov. They did have The Mountain Extreme Guide boot in a size 12M that they could send me. The customer service tech did suggest I try a 13 narrow, which has a narrower heel cup than the medium boot, but they didn't have that size either and I just couldn't wait. The tech did suggest I try extra lining inserts that they offer to reduce room around the heel. They arrived loose with the boots, but can be glued in place. The inserts were not the perfect solution for me, but they did help noticeably in the fit and feel department.

When the boots arrived I had a short time to break them in before elk season. I still suffered from some heel slippage, but it was not as noticeable as with the Hardscrabble hikers. Not knowing if the boots were broken in, I didn't risk blisters and used leukotape during my hunt. No blisters. What I did experience was new and much worse. I killed cow elk on my second day, about 1.5 miles in. With camp, I took three trips at 70-80 lbs each. During the second trip out I experienced severe pain in the balls of both feet and lost feeling in a couple toes. I was able to relieve the pain by massaging my feet and I managed to get the third load out without any problems. I also developed minor neuropathy in my feet, which took a couple months to go away. Following the hunt I delayed going to a doc and I didn't train or hunt hardly at all. I finally got up the guts to see a foot doc in January, fearing I had caused permanent nerve damage and finally ready to face the consequences for my actions. I was both happy and depressed after my visit. I was very happy because he said I didn't do any permanent damage to my feet. He also identified my lack of flexibility in my calves as the cause of all my problems. My depression came when he told me that's just what happens when you get old! Of course I need to continue to stretch, but it is just more difficult to get results because of my age. This, along with difficulties in weight loss, poor eyesight, stamina, and a bunch of other unmentionables remind me that it just sucks to age. And I'm only 50! Geez!

Where does this leave me? I have the knowledge that I'm going to have foot problems for a while and it's going to take some time to work out my muscle/foot issues. Kenetrek boots may or may not be the solution for me, but I certainly can't say anything bad about them now. In fact, their customer service was fantastic. Oh yeah, and I'm old.:(
 
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Loving this thread. I have MAJOR ankle and foot issues when hiking in Danner's and I just purchased a set of Mountain Extremes. I had about 10 miles on them and went hiking saturday. I made some dumb mistakes (let the wife add things into my pack without her understanding that ounces equal pounds and pounds equal pain, so my pack, with my 1 year old in it, was 50 pounds, more than I am used to and the first time with this pack and carrying the kid. I wore double socks for cushion and my feet overheated. My boots aren't broken in enough. And the first two miles were steep and rocky.) and I ended up with some heel blisters. So it's nice to read that if I fix all my idiocy that there are other answers out there if my blisters continue. The good news of it all was that, even with the weight and steep rocky conditions, my feet and ankles felt amazing. I didn't even get sore after the 4 mile hike, and normally, a mile in that terrain would have me all but crippled. So I am making progress.
 

Ramcam

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I'm going to assume you guys are building under the heal of your foot with extra insole material to kind of lift your heal so it has less chance of heel lift? That is what i do to take away any movement and i have not had any blisters for years.
 
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