Has the Ruger American Gen 2 been out long enough to be considered “proven”?

[coyotekilla]

Just remember. Everyone will poo poo them now. In 30 years it will be a collector piece and some old timer will pay $1k for it. Same thing happened to the M77 rifles lol

They kinda do remind you of the remington 788 story, a little budget gun that was a shooter.

 

[MallardSX2]

Does the gen 2 still misfire if the bolt is lifted a 1/4" when it is in the fire position?

Yes, that's a serious question and the reason why we sold my kids .243...

 

[coyotekilla]

Does the gen 2 still misfire if the bolt is lifted a 1/4" when it is in the fire position?

Yes, that's a serious question and the reason why we sold my kids .243...

I'll have to check mine when I get home, have a g1 300aac, g2 223 & 6.5g

 

[Cdnance]

I thought guys were complaining about the bolt being too stiff. Is it coming open a quarter or are you just not fully seating the bolt?

 

[MallardSX2]

Kids gun would just sloppily come part way open (you would never notice unless you seated the bolt back down to check every single time) and misfire if you even bumped the bolt while it was off safe. It was super hard to notice it prior to firing. She "Clicked" at a buck last year and I though the shell didn't go off. Turns out the primer was never struck. Just a loud "CLICK" in the woods. We somehow managed to get another shell in the gun and get the deer killed but it was in fact a miracle.....

It took me a while to figure out WTF had even happened. I spent 2 days trying to re-create the problem and when I did I immediately sold the gun. There is NO WAY I would ever own a gun like that.

I noticed some guys were using rubber bands around their trigger guard to keep the bolt down....lol No thanks.

It gave me Benelli BSEII Flashbacks of "Bolt check". Sold that POS too....

 

[Cdnance]

I thought you meant the bolt would unseat itself and not fire. I didn’t realize you had accidental discharge as well! Damn!
Out of curiosity were you able to figure out what the issue was? Something internal with the firing pin or bolt or something?

 

[MallardSX2]

I thought you meant the bolt would unseat itself and not fire. I didn’t realize you had accidental discharge as well! Damn!
Out of curiosity were you able to figure out what the issue was? Something internal with the firing pin or bolt or something?

Nooooooo.

There was no accidental discharge.

If the gun is loaded, and you life that bolt AT ALL, you can pull the trigger, the gun will misfire. The firing pin will not strike the primer hard enough to make the gun go off.

That's what threw me for a loop. The firing pin barely dented the primer and I though there was a much larger issue. All along it was because the ONE TIME the gun never went off while we were hunting it was caused by the bolt having been bumped a tiny bit.

I was 100% able to re-create this situation and it is 100% a problem with these guns as the more I dug into the issue the more I realized there were people all over the place with this very problem. Most of them fixing it by putting rubber bands around the trigger guard and the bolt handle.....Do a google search.

 

[Shortschaf]

Nooooooo.

There was no accidental discharge.

If the gun is loaded, and you life that bolt AT ALL, you can pull the trigger, the gun will misfire. The firing pin will not strike the primer hard enough to make the gun go off.

That's what threw me for a loop. The firing pin barely dented the primer and I though there was a much larger issue. All along it was because the ONE TIME the gun never went off while we were hunting it was caused by the bolt having been bumped a tiny bit.

I was 100% able to re-create this situation and it is 100% a problem with these guns as the more I dug into the issue the more I realized there were people all over the place with this very problem. Most of them fixing it by putting rubber bands around the trigger guard and the bolt handle.....Do a google search.

cannot say I have noticed that with mine yet with only 50 rounds fired. But will see if I can replicate

I will say that the gen 2's now have a 3 position safety that locks down the bolt.

 

[Cdnance]

Nooooooo.

There was no accidental discharge.

If the gun is loaded, and you life that bolt AT ALL, you can pull the trigger, the gun will misfire. The firing pin will not strike the primer hard enough to make the gun go off.

That's what threw me for a loop. The firing pin barely dented the primer and I though there was a much larger issue. All along it was because the ONE TIME the gun never went off while we were hunting it was caused by the bolt having been bumped a tiny bit.

I was 100% able to re-create this situation and it is 100% a problem with these guns as the more I dug into the issue the more I realized there were people all over the place with this very problem. Most of them fixing it by putting rubber bands around the trigger guard and the bolt handle.....Do a google search.

Now I got ya! Had me worried. I got one of these for my boy. I’m gonna check it out this weekend and see what it does. Hopefully it’s been taken care of.

 

[Deere_Man]

The toe angle is extreme
But this probably won't see a rear rest that often, plus a 223 doesn't pack enough recoil for it to bother me

The heel being below the bore did bother me however. But I just finished correcting that with a chunk of pine

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That looks very interesting. Maybe some epoxy and paint could be deployed on the area of the wood, especially where the screw is exposed. Some blending and shaping would shore it up.

 

[BLJ]

The toe angle is extreme
But this probably won't see a rear rest that often, plus a 223 doesn't pack enough recoil for it to bother me

The heel being below the bore did bother me however. But I just finished correcting that with a chunk of pine

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Bravo. Nice work.

 

[MallardSX2]

I really didn't want to get rid of my kids .243 because it was laser-beam accurate but neither of us could deal with that misfire nonsense we had in the stand. I was over it, she was over it, and it misfiring on her in the heat of battle was something too hard to shake for us so we sold the gun and went with a Howa and stepped up to the 7-08.

Sounds like Ruger might have righted that wrong with their never model.

 

[coyotekilla]

Kids gun would just sloppily come part way open (you would never notice unless you seated the bolt back down to check every single time) and misfire if you even bumped the bolt while it was off safe. It was super hard to notice it prior to firing. She "Clicked" at a buck last year and I though the shell didn't go off. Turns out the primer was never struck. Just a loud "CLICK" in the woods. We somehow managed to get another shell in the gun and get the deer killed but it was in fact a miracle.....

It took me a while to figure out WTF had even happened. I spent 2 days trying to re-create the problem and when I did I immediately sold the gun. There is NO WAY I would ever own a gun like that.

I noticed some guys were using rubber bands around their trigger guard to keep the bolt down....lol No thanks.

It gave me Benelli BSEII Flashbacks of "Bolt check". Sold that POS too....

So I checked all the bolts i have handy. They all will fire with the bolt partially closed. A rifle firing when just the bolt handle is moved would make me think the spring holding the sear up was weak or incorrectly adjusted. I have a 1lb jard in my 6.5 grendel g2, and it's safe, passes a drop test, move the safety, all that stuff. Did you do a m-carbo spring or back yours way out?

 

[Shortschaf]

So I checked all the bolts i have handy. They all will fire with the bolt partially closed. A rifle firing when just the bolt handle is moved would make me think the spring holding the sear up was weak or incorrectly adjusted. I have a 1lb jard in my 6.5 grendel g2, and it's safe, passes a drop test, move the safety, all that stuff. Did you do a m-carbo spring or back yours way out?

To clarify, did you do this with live ammo

 

[coyotekilla]

To clarify, did you do this with live ammo

Heck no, I don't wanna blow my gun or fix the roof. That being said I don't think there is a bolt out there that has an interupt safety like on the bottom of a lever rifle.

 

[MallardSX2]

So I checked all the bolts i have handy. They all will fire with the bolt partially closed.

I still think you’re not understanding. I’m not talking about the gun accidentally going off when the bolt is moved. I’m talking about when the bolt is not fully seated in the downward position and you fire the gun, the gun will misfire and will not detonate the primer.

To test it, my suggestion (the same thing that I did at least) is to take an empty case and put primer in it, and then start lifting that bolt a tiny bit and pull the trigger, then lift a little more and pull the trigger. Do this until the primers don’t go off. You’ll be surprised how little you have to lift that bowl to make the primers not detonate. I found it to be a bolt lift of about 1/4” and the primers would not detonate.

It didn’t take hardly anything to move that bolt upwards 1/4”. Thick gloves would likely do it.

 

[MallardSX2]

So I checked all the bolts i have handy. They all will fire with the bolt partially closed. A rifle firing when just the bolt handle is moved would make me think the spring holding the sear up was weak or incorrectly adjusted. I have a 1lb jard in my 6.5 grendel g2, and it's safe, passes a drop test, move the safety, all that stuff. Did you do a m-carbo spring or back yours way out?

I have no idea what a m-carbo spring is. But no. I didn’t touch anything.

 

[coyotekilla]

I still think you’re not understanding. I’m not talking about the gun accidentally going off when the bolt is moved. I’m talking about when the bolt is not fully seated in the downward position and you fire the gun, the gun will misfire and will not detonate the primer.

To test it, my suggestion (the same thing that I did at least) is to take an empty case and put primer in it, and then start lifting that bolt a tiny bit and pull the trigger, then lift a little more and pull the trigger. Do this until the primers don’t go off. You’ll be surprised how little you have to lift that bowl to make the primers not detonate. I found it to be a bolt lift of about 1/4” and the primers would not detonate.

It didn’t take hardly anything to move that bolt upwards 1/4”. Thick gloves would likely do it.

I think I understand you completely. And I'm not a Smith, but I think that's how they all work. Its not an issue if you camber a round, then put the gun in full safe, locking the bolt down. Want to fire, all ahead, boom. That's the draw to the 3 position safety. Or even a 2 position that locks the bolt (tikka). My old rem 700 did not lock the bolt, and would do what your describing, but in 15 years of woodchucks & deer i don't ever recall that fault saving ones life.

 

[Harvey_NW]

I’m talking about when the bolt is not fully seated in the downward position and you fire the gun, the gun will misfire and will not detonate the primer.

Tikkas will actually do this too, or can at least light strike. It's annoying but I've made it a habit to sweep the bolt with my thumb as I get on target and then once acquired, safety comes off. I'm not up to speed on the exact mechanics of different styles, but I think this can happen with any that are "cock on close" design.

 

[Shortschaf]

Tikkas will actually do this too, or can at least light strike. It's annoying but I've made it a habit to sweep the bolt with my thumb as I get on target and then once acquired, safety comes off. I'm not up to speed on the exact mechanics of different styles, but I think this can happen with any that are "cock on close" design.

Thanks for chiming in I believe nearly all bolt rifles really behave this way now that you mention

If your bolt is even slightly open, the firing pin's cocking piece will force the bolt down as it travels forward, losing a ton of energy in the process.