Group applications under Colorado's new hybrid draw?

[MallardSX2]

I am on the fence about the return list opt in I kind of feel like it will be huge and basically eliminate the leftover or no one will use it and it will seem like little to no change. I could see a lot of people not using it since it will take your points for that tag… not sure that even year to year there will be much predictability anymore. One year everyone could go NW corner the next maybe gunnison basin ect… ?

The secondary draw, leftover, and re-issue day will basically be a thing of the past. If a person wants a tag now, they better put in for it on the draw and truthfully, they better put in as a first choice if they really want it....Applying for something as a second choice with 75/25 going through the second choice isn't going to guarantee anything except for the "OTC Archery Elk" tags.

Like you said there are a LOT of unanswered questions. Depending on how they answer them, will make a huge difference on how I apply, that's for sure.

Currently, as they have announced, I would suspect that the secondary draw list will be a ghost town with the exception of the "OTC Archery Elk" tags. It really doesn't make sense for ANYTHING to be on the secondary list or the leftover day list of any meaningful point value at all since the auto-re-issue is going to be re-issuing those "good" tags.

There might be a few "decent" tags on the re-issue day a couple weeks before the opener, but even that list is going to be lacking in a big way. I see it all as a good thing.

When you think about it, It's all just an application fee producer the CPW. They are going to application fee people to freaking death. They are going to make sooooooo much money in application feed in 2028 it's not even funny.

 

[resident vs nonresident]

Right hard to guess. My thinking was something like this:
-1st choice. Let’s say it’s a 2pp tag (A-bull tag)
-2/3/4 choices are also A-bull tags
If I drew 3rd choice but someone turned in my 1st choice I would still prefer to have it replace whatever was given to me As my 2/3/4th choice even if I loose points (I was always applying knowing this so no diff by getting it slightly later)
But I can see this creating a new issue where now my canceled tag goes back into pool and someone else goes through same process with that tag??
Not sure how well this automreissue will work

 

[Jethro]

During the auto reissue, you will by skipped over for any tag you cannot legally possess (2 A tags).

I have not read anything that addresses @MallardSX2 question. Will the tag get reissued in the draw it came from, points or random? IDK

 

[MallardSX2]

What is going to be a real pain (for some people) is keeping one's schedule open to accept one of these tags through the year. Unless your retired and you can just pack up and go with next to 0 notice, it's going to be tough for some guys, and people are going to quickly realize that.

I foresee there being a TON of people who will select to "OPT IN" and they will get the tag and then find out that they won't be able to hunt the tag and they will turn it back in, and then it will go to the next person ect ect ect and this will keep happening one after another until it eventually ends up on the re-issue list in august....

A person should get 24 hours to accept and pay for a tag. If you haven't paid for it in 24 hours, it should go to the next person in line, IMMEDIATLEY. Those late summer returns are going to be a disaster for (some) people.

 

[Hnthrdr]

The secondary draw, leftover, and re-issue day will basically be a thing of the past. If a person wants a tag now, they better put in for it on the draw and truthfully, they better put in as a first choice if they really want it....Applying for something as a second choice with 75/25 going through the second choice isn't going to guarantee anything except for the "OTC Archery Elk" tags.

Like you said there are a LOT of unanswered questions. Depending on how they answer them, will make a huge difference on how I apply, that's for sure.

Currently, as they have announced, I would suspect that the secondary draw list will be a ghost town with the exception of the "OTC Archery Elk" tags. It really doesn't make sense for ANYTHING to be on the secondary list or the leftover day list of any meaningful point value at all since the auto-re-issue is going to be re-issuing those "good" tags.

There might be a few "decent" tags on the re-issue day a couple weeks before the opener, but even that list is going to be lacking in a big way. I see it all as a good thing.

When you think about it, It's all just an application fee producer the CPW. They are going to application fee people to freaking death. They are going to make sooooooo much money in application feed in 2028 it's not even funny.

Absolutely, it checks out too, Colorado politicians LOVE fees, since they aren’t technically a tax they don’t have to be voted on, we are fee’d to death here so par for the course there… I’m thinking the 2 choice hard cap may help me as a resident, slightly but we will have to see how it shakes, won’t be surprised when the NW corner gets something like 10 or 20k applicants, basically just a raffle tag at that point…

 

[MallardSX2]

Absolutely, it checks out too, Colorado politicians LOVE fees, since they aren’t technically a tax they don’t have to be voted on, we are fee’d to death here so par for the course there… I’m thinking the 2 choice hard cap may help me as a resident, slightly but we will have to see how it shakes, won’t be surprised when the NW corner gets something like 10 or 20k applicants, basically just a raffle tag at that point…

One unit in the NW corner had 1120R and 510NR (most of them were not even in the ballpark of drawing) apply for a total of 26 tags last year. Why ~1500 of them even bothered to apply for the tag is still a bit of a mystery to me. Drawing dead just to build points? Beats me.

That number will go up IMHO 5-10X in 2028 when people feel have a chance at those tags for real....

 

[Hnthrdr]

One unit in the NW corner had 1120R and 510NR (most of them were not even in the ballpark of drawing) apply for a total of 26 tags last year. Why ~1500 of them even bothered to apply for the tag is still a bit of a mystery to me. Drawing dead just to build points? Beats me.

That number will go up IMHO 5-10X in 2028 when people feel have a chance at those tags for real....

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Lot of folks out there don’t know about the PP code you can enter… probably even more that think there is a chance to draw it… have several family members who are pretty out of the loop on all things draw…

 

[Jethro]

One unit in the NW corner had 1120R and 510NR (most of them were not even in the ballpark of drawing) apply for a total of 26 tags last year. Why ~1500 of them even bothered to apply for the tag is still a bit of a mystery to me. Drawing dead just to build points? Beats me.

That number will go up IMHO 5-10X in 2028 when people feel have a chance at those tags for real....

That will be the Great Unknown. I agree with you and if it happens, somewhere in the draw between no mans land down to low point units, some guys are going to see draw odds improve. Problem being, who knows where that will be.

 

[Hnthrdr]

That will be the Great Unknown. I agree with you and if it happens, somewhere in the draw between no mans land down to low point units, some guys are going to see draw odds improve. Problem being, who knows where that will be.

Probably a year to year pendulum. Unit X grew out low and had little to no competition for random tags, while unit Y crept 2 points and had a ton of applications, and vice versa…