Get Better Mule Deer Hunting

[Jake Larsen]

The only reason it was even entertained was pandering to a minor, vocal crowd.

I would place a good chunk of change that the division didnt want to do it but was caught in a "how do you just flat out right say no" problem.

Glad it was shutdown. If they would have moved forward with allowing the youth exemption, the next time it got brought up, the proponents would have pointed to that and said "it wasnt a real study." There is and was no way to just put it to bed. It will be proposed again in my lifetime.

Agree. Lots of good comments. Not sure why APR just won’t die.

Lots of good discussion in general, much of it echos what we’ve discussed on here. I hope this inspires other states to do some thinking


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[Jake Larsen]

@CorbLand How are you feeling about the new changes now that it’s been a few days since the meeting? Do you think the weapons restricted units will be in high demand? Will you be pursuing those units?


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[CorbLand]

@CorbLand How are you feeling about the new changes now that it’s been a few days since the meeting? Do you think the weapons restricted units will be in high demand? Will you be pursuing those units?


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Feelings are about the same as before. Don’t love it. Don’t hate it.

Really wish they would have left muzzleloaders alone or not made it so you had a have a fully exposed ignition source. Lots of people have CVAs and could have converted them to NW models for 50 bucks if they wouldn’t have made it fully exposed. Taking scopes off last year was a major step to bringing them back to 200 yard guns. I don’t think any of the restrictions are going to limit them more.

I think they will be in higher demand in a few years. Let them start producing more and bigger bucks. People will flock to them. It’s also Utah, we will figure out how to make open sights work to 400 yards.

Archery tags are going to be hard to draw for some of these units in the next couple years.

One of the units is my backyard so yea, I will apply for it. Have dedicated in one for the next two years. I am not a big traveler. My family lives 2 hours away and I don’t even like driving that.

Like I said in the beginning.
First concern is that this will work and people won’t want to “give up what we have built” so more tags won’t be issued. Basically, we will give up our weapons and get no more opportunity.
Second concern is that this will work but people can’t kill deer. They complain and we roll back the restrictions to allow people to kill all the big deer. Basically we get in a cycle of add restrictions to grow bigger deer and then roll the back so people can kill them.
Third concern is that people are going to go spend money to get everything set up for these units and then in three years they will go back to how they were. Gets kind of tiring to meet new requirements every year.

Time will tell. Glad to see Utah try something new. Just think there could have been some tweaks that could have made it financially easier on people.

 

[Travis Hobbs]

Really wish they would have left muzzleloaders alone or not made it so you had a have a fully exposed ignition source. Lots of people have CVAs and could have converted them to NW models for 50 bucks if they wouldn’t have made it fully exposed. Taking scopes off last year was a major step to bringing them back to 200 yard guns. I don’t think any of the restrictions are going to limit them more.

I’m actually very curious about this as well, when they were discussing this weapon type, the sentiment was as I remember to allow North West Model muzzleloaders as they have an exposed ignition source.

Reading “fully exposed” was not how I remember it, I’m going to try and get some clarification on that wording.

 

[CorbLand]

I’m actually very curious about this as well, when they were discussing this weapon type, the sentiment was as I remember to allow North West Model muzzleloaders as they have an exposed ignition source.

Reading “fully exposed” was not how I remember it, I’m going to try and get some clarification on that wording.

I was going to reach out to the division in a month or so if they didn’t clarify.

Based on the documents from the board meeting, it reads fully visible not fully exposed, that was my mistake. I thought I saw somewhere that it was fully exposed.

I hope that NW conversions qualify.

 

[HighUintas]

Here's my take on this issue (albeit possibly insane)

- keep tag numbers the same. Only allow primitive weapons across all hunts for 5 years as experiment. For firearms, let's make it exposed cap or flint ignition. Solid lead or lead alloy only. Open rifle sights only, no long range peep. (Basically reducing ethical effective range to 150-200)
- no hunts during prime rut time. No late season hunts in areas with heavy snow or severe temps where hunts would stress animals
- winter habitat is being consumed at an alarming rate. Build/dig snake pits for any winter range landowner that attempts to sell to a developer, as well as the developers themselves. BIG snake pits. LOTS of snakes.
- use that rejuva stuff in a massive scale to get rid of cheatgrass. The evidence looks like it works well.
- kill and eat all feral horses