I probably (never say never) won't take a frontal shot "again" on an elk. The only time I did this was on a 4X5 Roosey at 15 yards or so in 1995. It was darn near self defense. Shot a fencepost (29", GGII 2219) out of my 72lb Darton Viper and buried the arrow over half way, dead center, perhaps a bit low in his chest. As he wheeled 180 degrees, I let go a two note bugle with my Berry diaphram and the beast stopped at a bit over 30 yards broadside (first arrow sticking straight out like a jousting spear). All happened so quick, but I was able to get a second arrow off which hit very high but clipped a lung. Tracked him till dark with the blood sign disapearing completely. Came back at 0 dark 30 and found him a long, long ways from where I stopped tracking the night before.. He wasn't feeling too well, was down, but was still alive. A well placed third arrow caused a small earthquake as he crashed up and ran another 40 yards before he went down for good (they are very, very tough animals). My first arrow hit nothing of significance that I could see. The second arrow barely clipped the top of a lung. I get pumped when getting close and personal to bugling bulls (who doesn't) but I don't get shaken and am well beyond the knee shaking, can't draw my bow back, stage of my youth but am still very selective about shot placement on a big bull. A bull that has came in to calling "is" alert and anything can happen in milli-seconds. Again, never say never, but unless the beast absolutely will not move out my way and insists upon a lengthy stare down, I'll wait for a shot that I'm much more comfortable with.. RJ