Forest Service clarifies miscommunication about trailers

robby denning

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Do you think the FS backed off or just clarified? When I saw this in August, it sure seemed like they were targeting everyone including hunters.



Dec. 24, 2013



Forest visitors camping and actively engaging in hunting or other recreational activities on the Coconino, Kaibab or Prescott National Forests are not at risk of being cited or having their property considered abandoned after 72 hours

The U.S. Forest Service has issued a clarification to address concerns that were raised in the months following an August news release. The release stated that trailers left unattended for more than 72 hours on the Coconino, Kaibab or Prescott National Forests could be considered abandoned property and subject to removal, with the owner subject to possible citation. The Forest Service's clarification indicates this is not the case.

The full clarification notice, written by Mike Williams, Kaibab National Forest Supervisor, and Earl Stewart, Coconino National Forest Supervisor, was recently sent to media outlets around Arizona and is reprinted below. Also below is a link to a clarification letter sent by U.S. Forest Service Chief Tom Tidwell to Senator John McCain.

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Northern Arizona forests welcome hunters
By Mike Williams, Kaibab National Forest Supervisor, and Earl Stewart, Coconino National Forest Supervisor

We are concerned that hunters may have recently been given the impression that they are at risk of having their trailers or other vehicles towed while visiting the Kaibab and Coconino National Forests in northern Arizona. This is simply not true, and we want to set the record straight in the hopes of reducing any residual anxieties that our forest visitors might have.

Back in August, the Forest Service distributed a news release that attempted to explain rules regarding abandoned property on the National Forests. The intent of the release was to provide information and clarification on a growing issue facing forest managers. We regret the confusion and concern, particularly among the hunting community in Arizona, caused by our miscommunication.

Let us be 100 percent clear. Forest visitors camping and actively engaging in hunting or other recreational activities are not at risk of being cited or having their property considered abandoned after 72 hours. Hunters and other campers have never been required to move camp every 72 hours and will not be required to do so in the future.

The Kaibab and Coconino National Forests are not implementing any new regulations or policies. Both forests have orders in place for a 14-day stay limit for camping occupancy. Forest users may camp and occupy a site for as many as 14 days in a 30-day period. Most of our hunters and campers have long been familiar with this 14-day stay limit, and it has not changed.

While we welcome legitimate uses of the national forests such as hunting and camping, we do have concerns about some other activities and uses that are becoming all too common. Specifically, we have seen a steady increase of recreational trailers, vehicles and other personal property being abandoned on the Kaibab and Coconino forests in recent years. The Forest Service has the authority and the obligation to remove abandoned property in order to protect the public from potential hazards and to keep the forests from becoming a dumping ground for unwanted items.

We apply these regulations as a tool when appropriate to address this growing concern, consistent with state law. Practically speaking, visitors cited for abandoning vehicles and property represent an incredibly small percentage of the millions of visitors to the Kaibab and Coconino forests each year. The number of abandoned vehicles towed is an even smaller percentage. We also make every effort to locate and contact owners of property that we suspect has been abandoned prior to any enforcement action being taken.

The Kaibab and Coconino forests welcome hunters and other recreational visitors. We cherish our heritage of providing outstanding natural and cultural resources for members of the public to experience and enjoy. We have no interest in interfering with our visitors' legitimate uses of the forests, and we look forward to continuing our legacy of being a premiere destination for Arizona's hunters.
 

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I think a number of people compete for premier campsites and may push the 14 day stay limit by putting a "place holder" trailer at their campsite before the season opens.


Doesn't take much effort to ID the abandoned trailer versus one that is newer, on leveler jacks, and locked.
 

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Nothing like Govt. types trying to cover their rears. The original press release was plainly written.

For Immediate Release
Aug. 16, 2013

Public Affairs Contacts:
Brady Smith, Forest Public Affairs Officer, 928-527-3490
Dean Jones, Forest Deputy Public Affairs Officer, 928-527-3643
Brienne Magee, Flagstaff Ranger District Public Affairs, 928-527-8290

Parking trailers in forests prohibited during hunting season

Flagstaff, Ariz. – The Coconino National Forest is asking all northern Arizona-bound hunters to
refrain from leaving their trailers unattended in the forest during the upcoming hunting season.
In previous seasons, law enforcement officers have found numerous trailers parked in the
forests for the purpose of reserving a location for the entire hunting season and also because
the individuals did not want to haul their trailers back and forth.

Parking a trailer in the forest for this purpose violates Forest Service regulations. If
trailers are left unattended for more than 72 hours, the Forest Service considers them
abandoned property and may remove them from the forest. Violators can also be cited for this
action. Enforcing these regulations protects the property and allows recreational users equal
access to national forests.
 
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Me thinks the Forest Service caught enough flack that they had to change their game plan.
If we don't stay on top of the feral government weenies at each and every turn we will lose our access to hunting areas before we know it.
 
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Doesn't take much effort to ID the abandoned trailer versus one that is newer, on leveler jacks, and locked.

What about the 10-20yr old "hunting trailer"? You know the one only used for hunting that has the faded paint, broken door knob, they can't find where it is coming from but the roof is only slightly leaking, and the stove really needs to be replaced but they don't want to spend that much on "just a hunting trailer".
 
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Nothing like Govt. types trying to cover their a$$es. The original press release was plainly written.

For Immediate Release
Aug. 16, 2013


Parking trailers in forests prohibited during hunting season

Flagstaff, Ariz. – The Coconino National Forest is asking all northern Arizona-bound hunters to
refrain from leaving their trailers unattended in the forest during the upcoming hunting season.
In previous seasons, law enforcement officers have found numerous trailers parked in the
forests for the purpose of reserving a location for the entire hunting season and also because
the individuals did not want to haul their trailers back and forth.

Parking a trailer in the forest for this purpose violates Forest Service regulations. If
trailers are left unattended for more than 72 hours, the Forest Service considers them
abandoned property and may remove them from the forest. Violators can also be cited for this
action. Enforcing these regulations protects the property and allows recreational users equal
access to national forests.

You're right! That is what I thought I read. I think they had to change their intent, not clarify. Pretty clear they were targeting hunters. Funny they can't just say "we changed our mind after we heard all the complaints."
 

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More from the Game dept email dated early Nov.:

"......
The Department has met repeatedly with staff from the affected national forests to repeal this enforcement approach, with no success. Specifically, Director Larry Voyles, in a letter dated September 12, 2013, requested the following from Coconino National Forest Supervisor Earl Stewart: 1) that all national forests in Arizona establish a uniform approach to address length of visitation, and 2) that national forests in Arizona return to an enforcement approach that allows visitors or their property, including trailers, to remain on the forest for 14 days, whether or not the property is continuously attended.
......"

Too bad they couldn't just say "we made a mistake, accept our apologies".
 
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