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Anyone see the reel on Instagram where it says "What America wants to happen in the Super Bowl" and its the scene from Batman where the field blows up?
 
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Anyone see the reel on Instagram where it says "What America wants to happen in the Super Bowl" and its the scene from Batman where the field blows up?
Wouldn’t that be something… I’m so tired of all the Taylor swift screen time during any chiefs game. The NFL loves it though.
 

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This goes back to what I was saying about coaching. They didn’t actually “challenge” either play. The fourth down got reviewed because it’s a change of possession and obviously close enough to take a second look. From the main feed it looked like Kincaid may very well have gotten it on the third down. Instead the hero ref that everyone is screaming about having the correct spot on the following play comes in and marks it 6” short! McDermott could’ve challenged, yet they race to the line and run a play everyone on the planet knows is coming, which has already been a coin flip throughout the night. If they challenge that and discuss running a real play while they wait there’s probably no need for a fourth down review and they might go score. We’ll never know.


Bills went 9-20 on 3rd/4th downs. Chiefs were 6-10. One of the unsuccessful Chiefs 3rd’s followed an incorrect false start penalty that should’ve gone on the Bills and made it 3rd and 5 instead of 3rd and 15. Think the Chiefs would’ve converted a 3rd and 5? We won’t talk about that though. Goes against the prevailing theme of the season of course!

Certainly there were calls missed for both sides as is typical of most NFL games. What is particularly poor however is that the booth reviews were utter failures.

As for challenging the terrible spot that negated the first down on Kincaid’s catch, I’m sure the Bills wanted to conserve timeouts and losing one via a challenge was unappealing when that already happened in the first half and they thought they’d convert with the QB sneak (which they did). Had that been officiated correctly what would have happened…we’ll never know. But we do know it was up for dispute amongst the on field officials and went to the booth where there’s all the technology to get it right…but they made the wrong call.
 

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Certainly there were calls missed for both sides as is typical of most NFL games. What is particularly poor however is that the booth reviews were utter failures.

As for challenging the terrible spot that negated the first down on Kincaid’s catch, I’m sure the Bills wanted to conserve timeouts and losing one via a challenge was unappealing when that already happened in the first half and they thought they’d convert with the QB sneak (which they did). Had that been officiated correctly what would have happened…we’ll never know. But we do know it was up for dispute amongst the on field officials and went to the booth where there’s all the technology to get it right…but they made the wrong call.


I don’t think we do know it was up for dispute. If you’ll watch the replays closely, the far side ref is immediately covered up by McDuffie engaging the receiver. He starts to slide to his right and then the camera zooms in. There is a clear screenshot of Josh with the ball mid chest from that side and he hasn’t crossed the line yet. After which Chris Jones covers him up from that camera angle and most certainly covers him up from the refs angle as well. As the ref comes back into view he’s trotting down the first down side of the line but isn’t holding up an arm signaling he has a spot or even in any sort of hurry to command attention that he knows where it should be placed. He actually has to come around Reid and then crosses back over the line on the Bills side and stands there like he has no clue what’s going on. Twitter and all the haters took his initial reappearance across the line as golden proof Josh got it. I don’t see that as the case at all. As for the main broadcast angle Josh is covering the ball and the overhead is at least 5 yards behind the play. Both are useless for overturning that play “without a doubt”.



I think the two previous sneaks, failed 2 point and fumbled first down w/reach, were in Josh’s head. If he had reached this one, it’s probably clearly a first and likely even some video evidence to prove it. He kept it on his chest though. Again, it was a stupid play call and cost them.




As for the Worthy review, that was correct as well. He had the white glove, not the red. The ball was pressed firmly against the defender’s arm and then his shoulder pad and does not move when it hit the ground. Regardless, it would have been 1st and 10 at the 20 for the Chiefs. Quite possible they score a touchdown still and may not have been enough time for the Bills to score before half.
 
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I'd have to agree with Randy on this one. I'd add that I also found this theory to work just as well with basketball, even when the two sports are so vastly different.
 

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Some of you may know this, I found this out while watching USFL. In every NFL stadium there are six ultra High def. cameras that can measure the distance between the football and the first down line. And more importantly in every NFL. football there is a coin sized chip that, coupled with RFID, transmits data on the exact location of the ball. So the question is, why not use it? I have seen the tech used in USFL games, it leaves no doubt, and eliminates human error.
 

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Some of you may know this, I found this out while watching USFL. In every NFL stadium there are six ultra High def. cameras that can measure the distance between the football and the first down line. And more importantly in every NFL. football there is a coin sized chip that, coupled with RFID, transmits data on the exact location of the ball. So the question is, why not use it? I have seen the tech used in USFL games, it leaves no doubt, and eliminates human error.

Which part of the ball is the chip in? I think an NFL football is 11” from tip to tip. If Josh got the first down, it may have been by much less than that?




I’m not opposed at all to technology spotting the ball. But if you’re going to really get it right wouldn’t you also need chips in knees and elbows and anything else that touches the ground to coordinate with the chip(s) in the ball?


Anyway, to think that’s the only play that would’ve mattered in that game if perfect spots were attainable just isn’t the case. Just four plays before that one Josh leaped for a first down on a sneak and fumbled it. The ball was lost at the bottom of the pile and recovered by the Bills. It’s quite possible the ball could’ve moved back behind the line to gain before recovery and thus it would have been a change in possession, not a first down. You can’t prove that with any review and no one on the broadcast even mentioned it, but with a chip/precise spotting technology it very well may have showed that to be the case. Plus, it damn sure wasn’t recovered exactly on the Bills edge of the 50 yard line. But that’s where it got spotted and made the sneak a few plays later that much more controversial because everyone considered the very front edge of the 40 as the first down.




At the end of the day Josh had 3 timeouts and 3:33 to go win it. He couldn’t do it. Mahomes is 7/7 in such scenarios in his playoff career (going for a tie or lead change in late-game drives). That’s why he’s got a chance at a three-peat.
 
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