First Solo DIY Backcountry Elk Bow Hunt - Gear Breakdown

the gerber diesel is a heavy multi tool.
ditch that, and if you NEED a multi tool, do a leatherman skeletool that accepts the bits that you can use to fix your bow, 2 birds 1 stone there.
add chapstick, believe me.
the other thing I'd think about is ditching the solar charger and going with 1 decent rechargeable power bank type deal. what if the weather sucks and you dont have sun?
 
So, I'm curious why all the hating on the LifeStraw? It filters out everything that the pump filters do as far as I'm aware (including Giardia). It's also easier to use. Just fill up a bottle and drink the water through the straw. What is the benefit of a pump or inline filter over the straw?

In theory, the only other water I'll be ingesting is need is for oatmeal or dehydrated meals and that's going to be done in the JetBoil. What am I missing here? Are y'all just doing your dehydrated meals with cold water? What's the opposition to boiling water for my meals?

I'm not trying to be a smartass, but y'all aren't really explaining much of your reasoning behind your recommendations...
 
the gerber diesel is a heavy multi tool.
ditch that, and if you NEED a multi tool, do a leatherman skeletool that accepts the bits that you can use to fix your bow, 2 birds 1 stone there.
add chapstick, believe me.
the other thing I'd think about is ditching the solar charger and going with 1 decent rechargeable power bank type deal. what if the weather sucks and you dont have sun?

I can see your point on the Diesel. I've actually got a buddy who has a few Skeletools and he said he'd pass one my way. Will make sure to add chapstick. The solar charger is a power bank with a solar panel. You charge your devices off the bank and the bank can be recharged via both USB and solar power. Figured I could get a bit of extra juice out of it if there's some decent sun.
 
How's that lifestraw going to work for you when you have to spend a day 1000 to 2000 feet above where there's any water? You need to be able to fill a water bladder or multiple bottle(s) and take it with you. And having them full of dirty water sucks, because then you can't use them for things like drink mix, etc. until you clean them out. I also prefer not to have to deal with filtering water (slower) when I want to drink it - I'd rather take care of it when I fill.

Boiling water is a backup only - takes too much time and weight in extra fuel.

I personally carry a 4L bladder and a Nalgene - and I still have had plenty of times I've needed to drop down and fill up because I'm out of water in hot weather. There are days I use probably 2L at breakfast, and then drain my 4L by midafternoon and have to re-fill, and then drink half that before getting back to camp, and then another 2L at dinner. Doing the math - 10L in a hot strenuous day isn't out of the question for me. I'm 5'11, 175, 10-15% body fat during hunting season.

My opinion: Get a filter like a Katadyn or Sawyer that can pump into another container and carry clean water, or something like a Steripen that sterilizes an entire Nalgene. I personally used a Sawyer and hated it, so switch between Katadyn and Steripen. Sawyer would work great in camp as a gravity filter between two larger bladders.
 
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Also - Don't need a saw. Leave the baracuta bone saw blades at home. I carry havalon and a benchmade folder. 10x42 binoculars are fine, your list says 10x50? I have never used my spotting scope for Elk - I've regretted carrying the extra weight each time, but I've only encountered Elk in the timber where I've hunted MT and WY - I carry 10x32 Swaro and that's it.
 
Brendan has solid advice. Between my hunting partner and I we carry 11 liters of available water storage. We also modified all our drink tubes with quick disconnects so the bladders never leave the bag and our katadyns can hook directly to the drink tube and fill. Can theoretically pump water without taking off pack.

By all means, take your life straw. My guess is that you'll throw it away and just drink unfiltered water by day 3. (which is also probably ok--I've drank plenty i times without filtering.)

I also wouldn't bring a spotter for elk, unless you're being meticulous about scoring a bull before deciding to go after it. Based on your statements I'm thinking you don't fall into that camp. Get a small bugie and strap binos to a tripod. Works great without adding spotter weight.

How far are you planning on packing in?

Also what does that charger weigh?


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That's a lot of gear for that pack(and to carry). You need to look at some of the lists published on web sites. Before you go load your pack and then start thowing stuff out. It always sounds good to have a lot of gear(crap) but it's not feasible. Listen to what people have said about water. I would go with a gps and skip the phone and charger. For your battery operated equipment try to get gear that takes the same batteries. A lot of little items add up to a lot of weight and space. No frying pan, mountain house, tortillas individual peanut butter cups and precooked bacon for lunch(just an example), power bars, nuts for snacks, instant coffee and instant oatmeal breakfast.
 
How's that lifestraw going to work for you when you have to spend a day 1000 to 2000 feet above where there's any water? You need to be able to fill a water bladder or multiple bottle(s) and take it with you. And having them full of dirty water sucks, because then you can't use them for things like drink mix, etc. until you clean them out. I also prefer not to have to deal with filtering water (slower) when I want to drink it - I'd rather take care of it when I fill.

Boiling water is a backup only - takes too much time and weight in extra fuel.

I personally carry a 4L bladder and a Nalgene - and I still have had plenty of times I've needed to drop down and fill up because I'm out of water in hot weather. There are days I use probably 2L at breakfast, and then drain my 4L by midafternoon and have to re-fill, and then drink half that before getting back to camp, and then another 2L at dinner. Doing the math - 10L in a hot strenuous day isn't out of the question for me. I'm 5'11, 175, 10-15% body fat during hunting season.

My opinion: Get a filter like a Katadyn or Sawyer that can pump into another container and carry clean water, or something like a Steripen that sterilizes an entire Nalgene. I personally used a Sawyer and hated it, so switch between Katadyn and Steripen. Sawyer would work great in camp as a gravity filter between two larger bladders.

This is solid!


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So, I'm curious why all the hating on the LifeStraw? It filters out everything that the pump filters do as far as I'm aware (including Giardia). It's also easier to use. Just fill up a bottle and drink the water through the straw. What is the benefit of a pump or inline filter over the straw?

In theory, the only other water I'll be ingesting is need is for oatmeal or dehydrated meals and that's going to be done in the JetBoil. What am I missing here? Are y'all just doing your dehydrated meals with cold water? What's the opposition to boiling water for my meals?

I'm not trying to be a smartass, but y'all aren't really explaining much of your reasoning behind your recommendations...


By all means, take your LifeStraw. Then get back to us on how well it works for filing up bladders. Water isn't within 50 feet of you everywhere in the backcountry and you have to have a way to carry CLEAN water with you. You plan on sucking up mouthfuls of water and spitting them into a bladder or what? That's why there hasn't been, and won't be, much love for a LifeStraw. Better options are available for emergency use which is what it's designed for. Drops, tablets, SteriPens...all much better options. You asked for advice, don't get mad when those with way more experience critique your choices. We aren't being mean, or jerks, we're trying to help you avoid a potentially costly mistake.
 
By all means, take your LifeStraw. Then get back to us on how well it works for filing up bladders. Water isn't within 50 feet of you everywhere in the backcountry and you have to have a way to carry CLEAN water with you. You plan on sucking up mouthfuls of water and spitting them into a bladder or what? That's why there hasn't been, and won't be, much love for a LifeStraw. Better options are available for emergency use which is what it's designed for. Drops, tablets, SteriPens...all much better options. You asked for advice, don't get mad when those with way more experience critique your choices. We aren't being mean, or jerks, we're trying to help you avoid a potentially costly mistake.

Haha! I'm not getting mad in the slightest, so don't get testy when I don't immediately accept what someone says as the be-all-end-all. I don't blindly accept opinions to make important choices with no reasoning given. Once y'all started giving some actual reasoning and examples behind your decisions, it gave me the ability to do further research on alternatives and start to make an actual educated decision. You're right... I was asking for advice and, call it semantics, as far as I'm concerned, there's a big difference between that and what's just an opinion.
 
I also wouldn't bring a spotter for elk, unless you're being meticulous about scoring a bull before deciding to go after it. Based on your statements I'm thinking you don't fall into that camp. Get a small bugie and strap binos to a tripod. Works great without adding spotter weight. How far are you planning on packing in? Also what does that charger weigh?

Definitely pulling the spotter from the list. I'd be ecstatic if I was able to take a shot on a raghorn. Not planning on counting points until it's got an arrow in it. Ha! Looks like I'll be going with my 10x42s, the Uni-daptor and my tripod. Not sure how far I'll be packing in... still deciding on units and scouting. But, I'm planning on packing as far in as I need to. Training pretty hard for this. I've got the weight for pretty much all the gear listed out on the original list (Hunting Gear Breakdown), but the charger/power bank is 4oz.

That's a lot of gear for that pack(and to carry). You need to look at some of the lists published on web sites. Before you go load your pack and then start thowing stuff out. It always sounds good to have a lot of gear(crap) but it's not feasible. Listen to what people have said about water. I would go with a gps and skip the phone and charger. For your battery operated equipment try to get gear that takes the same batteries. A lot of little items add up to a lot of weight and space.

The current list is based on what I've been reading on Elk101 and Steven Rinella's Complete Guide... as well as a few other sites and personal conversations with friends who have been elk hunting for quite a while. My plan is to take a few local weekend pack-in trips over the next six months or so to test out the gear, test out my conditioning and make any adjustments. I'd rather start with too much and cut down than forget something I'll absolutely need.

Unfortunately, because I've been having to fill in some significant gear holes, my savings are screaming at me and I'm a bit limited with my choices on electronics. So, I'm stuck with my current range finder... though, I'm considering swapping out the headlamp for one that takes AA instead of AAA.
 
i overpacked my first year and it was ****ing miserable. this past year i took my pistol. 15 round mag, i loaded 10 into it. this year im going to bear spray.

2 methods of water filtration. my experience this year with the sawyer is that it clogs after a few days and gets harder to drink through. this year ill be doing the sawyer as a gravity system at camp and steripen during the day. extra weight but water is important (ill also carry just enough water tablets to filter my 10l water bladder. if my water issue gets to this point im hiking back to the truck). never used the life straw but i can imagine is basically the same as a sawyer. read about those things freezing. then your SOL.

cut your medical pack down. pain killers, superglue, sleep aid, duct tape.

on the multitool, its weight but i carry the leatherman Wave. it is heavy, but i justify it because its just too useful to me.
 
If your weight gets too high - ditch the tripod, I leave mine at the truck with the spotter. You can steady binoculars on a trekking pole if you're sitting - and those come with me every time. If you're glassing in the timber, no need for a tripod at all. And, if you just want to identify if you see Elk - not needed.

Note - If mule deer hunting or glassing up bedded animals was what I was doing, I'd have a completely different attitude here, but for Elk hunting during the rut, I don't think they're needed. Maybe, it's just that I'm still not all that experienced, but as a new hunter that's what has worked for me. Seek to simplify wherever possible.
 
So, I'm curious why all the hating on the LifeStraw? It filters out everything that the pump filters do as far as I'm aware (including Giardia). It's also easier to use. Just fill up a bottle and drink the water through the straw. What is the benefit of a pump or inline filter over the straw?

In theory, the only other water I'll be ingesting is need is for oatmeal or dehydrated meals and that's going to be done in the JetBoil. What am I missing here? Are y'all just doing your dehydrated meals with cold water? What's the opposition to boiling water for my meals?

I'm not trying to be a smartass, but y'all aren't really explaining much of your reasoning behind your recommendations...

1. It's a hollow fiber filter, it holds water, if it freezes it can crack those straws and then its just a straw. I contracted Giardia from a gravity filter system that failed. In theory they're great, but I'll never trust one again or at least as a stand alone.
2. How are you going to fill a bladder with a LifeStraw?? You'll waste a ton of time trying to use a straw everytime you want to drink and I'd bet you won't drink enough to stay properly hydrated due to the extra pain of having to use that straw.
 
Lots of good updates already on why the lifestraw isn't a good choice for something like this as a PRIMARY source of water purification. Biggest reason for ME is how much water I need daily when backcountry elk hunting. Ive hunted in September in 90+ degree weather, and doing several thousand vertical feet a day up and down in temps like that, even under normal September temps, can make you go through almost a liter an hour (again, my experience). I may leave camp at 430 AM having already topped off my 4L worth of water in my pack, and not see water in a small creek until 11AM. When I find water, I fill up my bottles with the pump filter unless I'm on a stalk. I prefer 4 x 1L Platypus soft bottles over camelback types with a hose. I can't stand those, and that's just personal preferences. I usually have an empty rolled up bottle (weighs an ounce or two) in my pack for dirty water. If I don't have time to filter, etc... I will throw in dirty water, and drop an iodine tablet in on the move. Once you get a lay of the land, and see how your daily hunting is, you can fine tune your water to weight use. Example, the place I hike into to setup camp is only 2 hours, and on a nice trail. I don't need a lot of water for that, so I pack in 1 bottle full to where I set up camp on a lake, and fill up the remaining 3, and top off the 1 I used to hike in with my pump filter. Saves me 6 pounds on the hike in. I know where I dive off for elk in the morning, I hit a creek at the bottom, and I always go there before calling. It takes me an hour to get there. So I may dive off with 2 bottles full to save weight, and top off with filter, etc... Once you know the lay of the land, you can learn how you hunt it. Also, mark your water points for both hunting and survival. When starting out in a new area, make sure you have enough water for the temps. I always have extra rolled up platypus bottles either at my tent or in my pack. When it's chilly I may not need as much, and when it's crazy hot, and water holes are scarce, I may fill up an extra one.

Always drink way more than you think you need before bed. After two or three days of hard hunting, it's really easy to get dehydrated and have headaches and feel like crap in the AM. Especially with altitude gains. I pound a liter of water, and usually a liter of hot tea from my jet boil before bed. Even when using the jet boil, I am pouring filtered water into it. This way, my water boils in 100 seconds. Otherwise you would have to boil for 10 minutes to guarantee killing the bacteria before consuming. This saves weight on fuel as mentioned previously.

A lifestraw is a valid backup, and I always have one in my truck. When hunting like this, my primary is a pump type filter, and backup is tablets. I take enough tablets to be able to use them for every ounce of water I will need to consume if my filter shits the bed. Tablets weigh next to nothing and can save your ass. I used only tablets for the entire month of August while going through SERE school and had no issues getting sick.

The way I understand, you are planning to fill up dirty water in your bottles or camelback, etc... and use your lifestraw to drink from the dirty bottles. While this may work OK at first, generally flow rate decreases fairly quick as it begins to get dirty. Pulling water from fast moving streams and things can help delay this however. You could get by on a trip like this with one, but it's a lot more work for you. Drinking a liter from a bottle and a liter through a lifestraw is significant time difference that over time results in you taking in less and less water. Then for boiling water for mountain houses, the way I understand it you are planning on using dirty water to boil, and boil for 10 minutes to kill the contaminates. Again, this works, just adds time and fuel weight. When I get back to the tent, I have about enough energy to eat and take my boots off.

Can you get buy on this whole trip with nothing more than your lifestraw, absolutely. Are there more efficient ways to purify the large volume of water you'll need to consume in an 8 day trip, absolutely. Best of luck. I recommend buying a lifestraw, and testing it out on a few hikes. Hell, use it for 8 days to drink every drop of water you consume. It may just change your mind.
 
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i'd suggest looking up a podcast from Aron Snyder (I think it was a Gritty Bowman podcast but i could be wrong) on "What's in your pack" as he goes thru what he carries and he's a great resource of info. He will pack extremely light for sure.
 
I very rarely use filtered/treated water for MH and coffee. If I'm gonna boil it why waste treated water? And I never bring it to a boil for more than one minute. Nothing survives at that temp.

I use chlorine-dioxide tabs in a 3l Platy and a steripen in a nalgean when I run across a source. If I need to make a special trip to a water source I'll time it for the hottest part of the day and I'll always boil up a MH and a coffee. I figure if the critters are napping (and I don't have a stalk planned) I may as well eat supper.

As others have noted nothing shakes down a pack list like a tough 3-4000' weekend hike. You have the journal packed so use that a lot to notate what you do and don't use and what does and doesn't work.

I've got an Exo-3500 and I don't use it for any trip more than a night or two. No way I could pack 8 days in it. But I absolutely hate having anything strapped to the outside of any pack. I'm sure many here can get 8 days in one but I can't.

I'd add a cotton bandana just because they have about a thousand uses.

Finally I'd seriously consider adding a friend :). Elk are awfully big critters.

Good Luck!
 
Another issue with life straws is that IF they freeze they fail to filter. Not saying they are notva good investment, as I own 3 for for SHTF scenarios. If they freeze the expanding ice causes the filter to fail and will allow contaminates through. I've seen plenty of snow in CO in Sept. but also 65 in 3rd rifle at 10500. Lifestraws are good but like anything else they have limitations.

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#1: try to find a buddy to go hunt with you. At the very least you can split up gear. Solo missions can be risky in the high country.

#2: load up you pack with all your planned gear and go for a few mini trips. So much advice is personal preference and situational dependant, you have to get some experience under your belt to figure out what works for you. Also, depends on your fitness.
 
Also, it should be noted an elk is a very large animal. A mature Rocky Mountain elk will usually yield +\- 225 lbs of boned out meat.

If you haven't. You should also be working on getting large weight loads on training hikes. Start at fifty and work up. I usually max out at 125 ish in the off season. This is an important function to get your mentality right to carry that kind of weight.


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