Federal 6.5 Backcountry?

[JohnJohnson]

I've heard similar, not sure of validity. But it was an issue and production 6.5 peak ammo doesn't exist for Ted/ARC to validate anything. I'm just saying I can understand why a firearm manufacturer might want to avoid giving a thumbs up to something they dont have actual data on because it doesn't exist yet.

Perfectly understandable but I do wonder about ARC having zero feedback on 7BC in their actions. Given it's been out like 1.5 years now.

 

[omicron1792]

I've heard similar, not sure of validity. But it was an issue and production 6.5 peak ammo doesn't exist for Ted/ARC to validate anything. I'm just saying I can understand why a firearm manufacturer might want to avoid giving a thumbs up to something they dont have actual data on because it doesn't exist yet.

Yeah. I agree. I would be slow too if a firearm manufacturer. High pressure does seem to be the direction the industry is going though.

 

[CMP70306]

Adding a weird note to this, American Rifle Company is withholding their verdict on whether it's fine to use +Peak in their actions. They're somehow acting like this is a new and surprising thing, despite the fact that 7BC has been out for over a year and works off of the exact same concept. The end result will 100% be that it's fine to use in their actions but it baffles me that they seemed so caught off guard by all this.

Ted’s an aerospace engineer by trade, you don’t know until you test as being wrong could get people killed.

That being said if his actions could withstand the case head separation testing he did I can’t see how they wouldn’t take the higher pressures just fine.

 

[Nilefried]

I wonder if the 6.5 creedmor + peak necked down to 6 creedmor will have faster velocities than the 6UM…

 

[bnewt3]

The only rifles they don't recommend them in us break open rifles like the CVA Scout.

I think they are probably fine in any bolt action rifle of a reasonable modern design because the case acts as an independent pressure vessel.

Right, but some people are throwing some comments about rifle age around as though it is definitely a disqualifier for Federal, but I have yet to hear Fed say that, only allude to it. Ryan M of Vortex mentioned it and Fed didnt refute it, but didnt explicitly confirm it either.

My point is MAYBE rifle age is a disqualifier as they decide which cartridges are possibilities and which arent. But AFAIK they havent specifically SAID that.

Im pointing out the difference between assumptions(even reasonable ones) and the facts that we have.

 

[wyosam]

I wonder if the 6.5 creedmor + peak necked down to 6 creedmor will have faster velocities than the 6UM…

Did you just inspire UM’s next product line? RokAlloy cases?


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[bnewt3]

.338 federal would be the tits! I’d have opposite ends loaded. Subs and zesty stuff.

Vortex Nation guys were pushing for 338Fed +Peak when they had a couple of the Fed guys on.

 

[Andouille]

Vortex Nation guys were pushing for 338Fed +Peak when they had a couple of the Fed guys on.

Let's ponder whether 338 Fed has enough market base to make it a financially viable choice for R&D and tooling costs... a quick Google search indicates it comprises 0.4% of all bolt action rifle ammo sales, whereas 6.5CM is the highest at 26.3%, followed by 308 at 22.5%. I concur that 338 Fed +Peak would be neat, but that doesn't mean its viable financially.

I'd put money on +Peak coming next to highest sales volume, non-magnum cartridges that can accommodate heavy for caliber bullets, especially those with millitary applications. 308/7.62, 7mm08, 223, 556, and maybe some newer and upcoming calibers like 6 CM.

 

[bnewt3]

Spent some time with our AI overlords and arrived at a, admittedly incomplete, list of cartridges that would likely benefit most from +Peak:

Cartridges most “held back” by pressure (top tier):​

• 6.5 Grendel
• 6 ARC
• 7mm-08
• .308 Win
• 6.5 Creedmoor
• .338 Federal
• 358 Winchester
  
  6ARC I think is particularly interesting. super low recoil, legit 600yd big game range, excellent bullet selection

 

[bnewt3]

Let's ponder whether 338 Fed has enough market base to make it a financially viable choice for R&D and tooling costs... a quick Google search indicates it comprises 0.4% of all bolt action rifle ammo sales, whereas 6.5CM is the highest at 26.3%, followed by 308 at 22.5%. I concur that 338 Fed +Peak would be neat, but that doesn't mean its viable financially.

I'd put money on +Peak coming next to highest sales volume, non-magnum cartridges that can accommodate heavy for caliber bullets, especially those with millitary applications. 308/7.62, 7mm08, 223, 556, and maybe some newer and upcoming calibers like 6 CM.

being 308 parent case(assuming 308 +Peak is coming), making cases for 338 Fed *might* be viable.....likely more viable than ammo