Federal 6.5 Backcountry?

[MarkOrtiz]

I tend to agree. But I do see a problem with classic calibers that have so many old actions being used.

and slow twist rates. The 270 still has enough velocity, but has a hard time with the new heavy projectiles. Adding +peak would be no help.

 

[bnewt3]

I don’t have the skill to take advantage of the distance that regular 6.5 creed cases will get a bullet to anyway, but a lot of the naysayers will be excited about “energy” and that nonsense. Gonna sell like hotcakes.

what this opens the door to is short-barrel rigs that until now always gave up too much(my opinion) velocity to be viable. Thats what made the 6.5PRC something to look at IMO, the velocity lost with an 18" barrel puts you at or above 6.5 Creed velocity with 24".

Now you can have both....or at the least all of one and most of both.

And less recoil than 6.5PRC

 

[bnewt3]

and slow twist rates. The 270 still has enough velocity, but has a hard time with the new heavy projectiles. Adding +peak would be no help.

same bullets but faster with minimal recoil increase definitely helps.

I ran 270 numbers earlier:
145 ELDx:
2950fps with brass
guessed 3200fps +Peak

6.5" less drop at 450yds

or 125yds farther before hitting the "magic" 1500ft/lbs

 

[bdg848]

I tend to agree. But I do see a problem with classic calibers that have so many old actions being used.

It could be treated like a revolver chambered in 38spl vs 38spl+P. You can shoot one in the other but not vice versa. Same as .223 and 5.56. Just start stamping "+P" on the new guns, put some lawyer talk on the box "for +P chamberings ONLY", and if someone wants to "risk it" on a non +P gun then that's on them.

 

[bnewt3]

The more I think about it, it seems like it would have to be a long action similar to 7BC. If it was a creedmor sized case in the peak alloy it seems like it would just match the 6.5 prc then what is the benefit over the prc. It seems like it would have to outperform the 6.5prc for anyone to want to try it. Maybe I’m off just my thoughts. Something like a 6.5-06 but in peak alloy.

You are forgetting that with the faster powders allowed with 80K PSI, you can reduce barrel length with far less penalty to velocity.

AND there are millions more 6.5 Creed rifles in the world than 6.5PRC

From what AI is saying, Creed outsells PRC somewhere in the 20:1-30:1 range.

so on the low end thats ~3m creed and ~150,000 PRC

if only 10% of creed owners buy +Peak, thats double the ammo sales of ALL of the 6.5 PRC rifles sold.

 

[Sundodger]

Give us the ARC family in Peak+

I am posting this again

 

[Bengradillas]

What do we think of the 6.5 PRC moving forward? Will a company do the same and increase the velocities for it?

 

[bnewt3]

Federal's site is weird. They list G7 for the 130 Terminal Ascent in both 6.5 Creed but not the 6.5 PRC.

 

[WCB]

Federal's site is weird. They list G7 for the 130 Terminal Ascent in both 6.5 Creed but not the 6.5 PRC.

Probably just a missed programming thing...but the B.C. would be the same since it is the same projectile.

 

[bnewt3]

What do we think of the 6.5 PRC moving forward? Will a company do the same and increase the velocities for it?

Good question

Mainly depends on 2 things IMO:
Will reloading get completely worked out so its essentially the same as brass?
Will Federal(or anyone else) make a +Peak case for PRC?

If either of those are no, then I guess PRC starts to decline

 

[bnewt3]

Probably just a missed programming thing...but the B.C. would be the same since it is the same projectile.

Makes me wonder who is (or rather isnt) doing QC on their website. of course BC is the same so why would it not be there.

 

[MarkOrtiz]

same bullets but faster with minimal recoil increase definitely helps.

I ran 270 numbers earlier:
145 ELDx:
2950fps with brass
guessed 3200fps +Peak

6.5" less drop at 450yds

or 125yds farther before hitting the "magic" 1500ft/lbs

I was at 3050 with the 145 so 2.5" difference. I can't even shoot that difference (groups wise) at 450. Yeah its great and cool, but is it really necessary, not for me and probably many other. I can see it with the new bullet technology of high BC bullets in short barrel rifles, but I don't see them putting in the investment to do this with old cartridges. I don't believe in the 1500 ft lbs deal either.

 

[Muleyczy]

People who have shorter 16-18" 6.5 CM rifles just got a big boost in FPS.

Big boost….how much?

 

[MarkOrtiz]

Big boost….how much?

2-300 fps

 

[ARK_Ginger]

I'm shocked that the 153gr TMK is going to be one of the original loadings. Also shocked that they're going to offer cases for reloading seeing as this is a legacy caliber.

 

[bnewt3]

I was at 3050 with the 145 so 2.5" difference. I can't even shoot that difference (groups wise) at 450. Yeah its great and cool, but is it really necessary, not for me and probably many other. I can see it with the new bullet technology of high BC bullets in short barrel rifles, but I don't see them putting in the investment to do this with old cartridges. I don't believe in the 1500 ft lbs deal either.

I would simply say that you dont see that the benefit is worth the effort. 270 @ 3050 is plenty for just about anything you could ever want to do, I agree.

Is any cartridge newer than a .30-06 actually necessary? No. But I would argue that the entire history of metallic cartridges is a collective exercise in finding a subjectively "more perfect" combination of attributes. How do we make it faster? How do we make the case shorter? How do we make it flatter? What is "just enough"? And that is exactly what this is, just IMO a larger step forward than we have seen in a long time.

I personally think it will definitely make financial sense to do this with the old standards, high BC or not, assuming the lawyers dont put their feet down. 308 that performs like .30-06....who wouldnt want that? .30-06 that performs like 300WM....who wouldnt want that?

 

[crazygrizz]

I feel my wallet getting lighter already.

 

[ckt3]

I feel my wallet getting lighter already.

I should’ve never signed up for this site

 

[UnckleBob]

Makes me wonder who is (or rather isnt) doing QC on their website. of course BC is the same so why would it not be there.

$5 says the people could controlling the website don't shoot rifles regularly. Tech guys and gals. Possibly in India.

 

[bojangles808]

Sell your PRCs before it’s too late.

The standard calibers are going to thrive once more.

.270 .308 .30-06 are gonna be magnums now. They will surely get this technology.

I don't think so. They chose 6.5 creedmoor bc it's modern chambering and theyve all been built recently and they know they likely can handle the increased pressures. There's no 6.5 creedmoors from 1952 floating around. It also hurts Hornadys baby in the 6.5 prc as an added bonus.